Mr. John Dunne:

At the level of rhetoric or aspiration, I do not think there is any argument. We all understand where we are and where we need to get to. The problem is at the next level down, that is the statutory framework, because that is the way the Government works. The reality is that it is not aligned with the aspiration or the rhetoric. Frankly, there is nothing we can do about that, other than give out about it and so far the Oireachtas or the Government have not done anything apart from saying they will introduce legislation.

The level below that again also works in spite of the statutory framework. What we are seeing is process and not management. There is no goal directed effort to achieve actual results. It is a case of doing something and looking at what happens. If it comes across that this is frustrating, take it as well intended but true.

In fairness to Mr. Dolan and everybody, we were told explicitly, in fact we were beaten over the head, that there would be no opening statement and we would be grilled on our pre-budget submissions. I appreciate the process and I know we are learning by doing but I suggest that next year we make a short opening statement of five minutes.

To go back to the questions that Members asked at the start, which were very useful questions, on where to find efficiencies and a list of our priorities-----