Mr. P. J. Fitzpatrick:

We appreciate that. There was also the pensions issue which we were much more transparent about, if one likes. We did not intentionally put in the footnote. What is happening as well is that the reporting to us is improving. This is the second report. The reporting to us is improving all the time as well. On our reporting, obviously we are learning as we go along as well because this was only the second report. We did try to take on board the suggestions that were made here the last day.

Members should not forget that the trade union people on the body would have knowledge of what is going on out there as well. It is not just the management people who have knowledge of what is going on out there on the ground. Certainly from the evaluations that have been carried out we have no evidence whatsoever to suggest that what we are getting is not correct.

On the issue of the consultants, we have not been given any figure yet as to what might materialise from the consultants. So we have got no figure on that yet from the Department.