Mr. P. J. Fitzpatrick:

I take the point, but that is not what I meant. I was talking first about the four management representatives and four trade union representatives on the body with me and my role in chairing it. They are the ones about whom I was talking. There is no doubt that there are difficult issues, but the only point I am making is that nothing has happened yet that has threatened the agreement on the industrial relations front and given the scale of the reductions and changes, that is significant. I also chair the Garda sectoral body, for example. When the new Garda rosters were introduced, there was not one word in the media. No unions were complaining and the rosters were introduced almost unnoticed under the radar. That would not have happened before. Part of it is a realisation of the times we are in. Trade union officials know how tough and difficult things are, but it is a good example of something big that was introduced virtually unnoticed. It was introduced nationwide on the same day.