Mr. Seamus McCarthy:

I might come in on a few points. There was an exchange about the attractiveness of Irish third level institutions and so on. I do not think mention was made of the framework provisions that exist for exceptional payments to be made in exceptional cases. In terms of the work we have done here in presenting payments in excess of ministerially approved levels, framework agreement cases are excluded because they are actually approved within the framework context. I think in the discussion last week, the provost was making the point about trying to attract people into administration and management posts rather than into academic posts. There is a danger that the discussion might get-----