Mr. Lar Bradshaw:

To be honest, I was signing in my titular capacity as chairman of the authority. There was no discussion. There was no meeting. There was no influencing anything. That is the way the real world works in something like that. I was not involved at all with the guarantees or anything like that. There are executives and legal advice among other supports. I hope Deputy Nash will not hold this against me but there were many times that I signed documents in a titular capacity where it would be presented to me to sign, and I would not even read it. That is the real world.