Written answers

Thursday, 18 May 2017

Department of Finance

Sale of State Assets

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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86. To ask the Minister for Finance the differences in terms of Eurostat rules or other restrictions in terms of the use of proceeds, between the sale of State assets such as Aer Lingus and Bord Gáis and the pending sale of a share in a bank (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23829/17]

Photo of Michael NoonanMichael Noonan (Limerick City, Fine Gael)
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There is no functional difference between the terms of use for the proceeds of the sale of Aer Lingus and proceeds from the partial disposal of AIB shares. In statistical terms, the disposal of the shares is considered a financial transaction, meaning that the proceeds will not be recognised as general government revenue and will not improve the general government balance.  Proceeds from the disposal of shares would, in the first instance, go to the ISIF.  These can then be transferred on to the Exchequer if the Minister for Finance so directs. 

These type of transactions do not result in a beneficial impact to the General Government Balance (GGB) under the European System of Accounts 2010 (ESA 2010) framework.  This is due to the fact that it is classified as a 'financial transaction' whereby it is essentially the exchange of one form of asset (shares, equities, loans) for another kind (cash). 

Subsequent to the sale of Aer Lingus, a ‘Connectivity Fund’ was formed to invest the €335 million proceeds from the sale of the State's shareholding in Aer Lingus with the aim of enabling and enhancing Ireland's physical, virtual and energy connectivity. This fund is overseen by the ISIF which, as the Deputy will be aware, has a strict commercial mandate.

The Bord Gáis sale was treated differently as it was not the sale of a State asset. Rather, Bord Gáis made a decision to sell an asset and remitted the proceeds to the State as dividends. As these payments were "at or below the entrepreneurial income" of Bord Gáis they passed the Super Dividend test (ESA 2010, 20.206) and, as such, were recorded as dividends. Dividends are recorded as property income in the ESA framework. Therefore these dividend payments were recorded as General Government Revenue and thus improved the General Government Balance.

Photo of Michael McGrathMichael McGrath (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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87. To ask the Minister for Finance the way in which proceeds will be treated within the ISIF and the NTMA following the sale of a portion of the State's share in a bank (details supplied); if it is technically possible from a Eurostat perspective to transfer the proceeds to the discretionary portfolio within the ISIF; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23830/17]

Photo of Michael NoonanMichael Noonan (Limerick City, Fine Gael)
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As I have previously stated for the Deputy in Parliamentary Question number 87 of the 09/03/2017 the proceeds from the partial disposal of AIB shares would, in the first instance, go to the ISIF.  Such proceeds can then be transferred on to the Exchequer if the Minister for Finance so directs.  In statistical terms, the disposal of shares will be a financial transaction, which means that the proceeds will not be recognised as general government revenue and will not improve the general government balance. 

Regarding the sale of financial assets, these type of transactions do not result in a beneficial impact to the General Government Balance (GGB) under the European System of Accounts 2010 (ESA 2010) framework.  This is due to the fact that it is classified as a 'financial transaction' whereby it is essentially the exchange of one form of asset (shares, equities, loans) for another kind (cash). Consequently, the sale of any shareholding in Allied Irish Bank (AIB) would not count as general government revenue. Accordingly, if the proceeds are then used for general government expenditure at any time, the general government balance will worsen.  If the proceeds are lodged to the Exchequer, then the NTMA will, in the normal course of events, take them into account in their funding plans and, all things being equal, it would result in Ireland’s Exchequer borrowing requirement reducing and, consequently, Ireland’s gross debt and debt to GDP ratio being reduced.

A lower level of debt is not only beneficial in terms of the fiscal sustainability of the State but would also result in reduced interest payments in future years. The strategy of reducing the national debt is consistent with the Government policy of repaying the borrowing previously undertaken to finance the recapitalisation of the banking sector during the financial crisis.  It is my view, therefore, that because public indebtedness rose partly due to the recapitalisation of the Banks, it is appropriate to use one-off revenue from divesting the State of its banking assets to reduce debt

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