Seanad debates

Tuesday, 22 June 2021

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

Official Engagements

9:00 am

Photo of Rónán MullenRónán Mullen (Independent)
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Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit. On Sunday, 30 May, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Coveney, visited China for a bilateral meeting with the Chinese Foreign Minister, Mr. Wang Yi. It did not surprise me that the Minister, Deputy Coveney, did not exactly bang the tables or lay down the law with the Chinese about human rights, the Uyghurs and so forth. Given the nature of the Government’s attitude and behaviour to China for the last decade, this was never likely.

However, a couple of things did surprise me. For example, for some reason the Department of Foreign Affairs waited for two days after the meeting before issuing a press release about the fact that it had taken place. Needless to say, the propaganda arm of the Chinese Communist Party, CCP, did not wait for two days to comment. It immediately stepped into the breach to spin its line on the nature of the meeting with the Minister, Deputy Coveney. The Minister was quoted by the CCP, and this is a direct quote in the Chinese media, as follows: "He praised China’s firm stance on multilateralism and spoke highly of China’s role as rotating president in the UN Security Council. Ireland is an honest friend of China in the EU and is ready to be a reliable partner, Coveney assured them". That is a direct quote attributed to our Minister for Foreign Affairs. Indeed, it is of a piece with what I quoted here last week from the book, Hidden Hand: Exposing How the Chinese Communist Party is Reshaping the World. In May 2019, Deputy Coveney said that the deepening relationship between the two countries would help Ireland to reach out to the European Union to advance China's interests in the EU. That was at the launch of a pro-Chinese Government think-tank, Asia Matters. The former Fine Gael Party leader, Mr. Alan Dukes, was closely involved in that, if I am not mistaken.

The Chinese state media continued: "Wang stressed the importance of mutual respect for the differences in the two countries' histories, cultures, stages of development and social systems." The phrase with regard to respect for the differences in history, culture and social systems is the Chinese Communist Party’s standard euphemism and doublespeak used to spin and excuse its violent suppression of democracy and basic human rights. It genuinely believes that the fact it has a different culture and history from the West somehow gives it a free pass. This phraseology is now used in a summary of a meeting involving an Irish Minister. The Department of Foreign Affairs eventually released its account of the meeting, in the usual emollient tone to which we have become accustomed. In fairness, the Minister raised the case of Richard O’Halloran, the Irish man being detained in China, as well as the treatment of the Uyghur minority. The statement said: "Minister Coveney outlined Ireland’s position on the treatment of Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang". That is not exactly strong stuff. Tellingly, the statement mentioned Ireland’s beef exports to China before it mentioned the Uyghurs, showing the priorities.

I ask the Minister of State to address the following questions. What was the background to this meeting? When was it arranged? At whose instigation did it take place? What other countries were invited, and why that choice? Were they the countries that China perceives as most friendly to its interests, including Serbia and Hungary if I am not mistaken? Why did it take two days for the Department of Foreign Affairs to issue a press release about the discussions that took place, allowing the Chinese propaganda arm effectively to put words in the mouth of an Irish Minister? Was this timeline of statements agreed or choreographed in advance? Finally, was Taiwan discussed at the meeting? It certainly was not mentioned in the Department’s press release and, needless to say, it was not mentioned in the Chinese Communist Party’s puff-piece. I wonder if the Chinese insisted that it could not be discussed.

Photo of Colm BrophyColm Brophy (Dublin South West, Fine Gael)
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As the Senator noted, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Deputy Coveney, travelled to China last month to meet with his Chinese counterpart, Minister Wang Yi, on Sunday, 30 May. The meeting took place in the context of Ireland's membership of the UN Security Council and had an extensive agenda covering bilateral relations and EU-China relations, as well as issues on the agenda of the UN Security Council. As a permanent member of the Security Council and as a major partner for both Europe and Ireland at a bilateral level, engagement with China is necessary for progress to be made on a wide range of key issues.

In the context of Ireland's membership of the UN Security' Council, the Ministers, Mr. Wang Yi and Deputy Coveney, discussed a number of topics facing the council, including the situations in Syria, Ethiopia and Myanmar. We must engage with all members of the Security Council, especially permanent members, if we wish to see an effective response to these issues, and China is an important partner in this regard.

In terms of bilateral issues, the Minister, Deputy Coveney, again pressed the case of Mr. Richard O'Halloran with his Chinese counterpart with a view to achieving an early resolution of the matter. As I am sure Senator Mullen will understand, it would be inappropriate to comment further on the details of an ongoing consular case. Additionally, the Minister, Deputy Coveney, also discussed restoring access to the Chinese market for Irish beef.

EU-China relations were covered at length, with both Ministers expressing a wish to have stronger co-operation in areas of mutual interest. However, it was also recognised that there are several areas where Ireland and China disagree. The Minister, Deputy Coveney, outlined Ireland's position on the treatment of Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang and raised concerns at the introduction of the national security law in Hong Kong and the implications it has for the "one country, two systems" principle. Ireland has consistently made its voice known on these issues, both bilaterally and in multilateral fora. Indeed, we have supported a joint statement at the Human Rights Council in Geneva, outlining our grave concerns regarding the situation in Xinjiang and in Hong Kong.

On Taiwan, as the Senator already knows, in common with all EU member states, Ireland maintains a One China policy. Although Ireland does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, it is free to engage with Taiwan on an economic and cultural basis. To this end, we recognise the benefits, for all parties concerned, of a peaceful and stable situation across the Taiwan Strait.The Minister, Deputy Coveney, discussed the value of co-operation between the EU and China, and the need to develop a common approach on global issues, such as responding to the Covid-19 pandemic and climate change. Increasingly, problems that have a global impact demand a global response, and China remains an important partner in this regard.

Photo of Rónán MullenRónán Mullen (Independent)
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I do not think anybody disputes the fact that, from time to time, Ireland raises concerns and even expresses great concerns, but it does not go beyond that. I spoke in this Chamber last week about the mounting evidence that our foreign policy lacks any moral core, because there is so much evidence of that recently. Days after returning from China, the Minister, Deputy Coveney, correctly said that the Belarusian President lacked democratic legitimacy. However, with him having recently returned home from a friendly meeting with a totalitarian communist dictatorship, it makes you wonder. The Minister then had a friendly meeting with the foreign minister of Iran, a country that supplies the rockets which Hamas were firing at civilians in Israel.

In 2019, the foreign minister in question, Mr. Mohammad Javad Zarif, supported and defended the executions of gay people in Iran, and thousands of gay people have been executed there since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Last week, pride flags were ripped down in Waterford, and Fine Gael MEPs and councillors were up in arms, took to the airwaves and, of course, got great support from the media. However, there was not a peep out of any of them when the deputy leader of their own party met with an Iranian minister who has publicly supported and defended the execution of thousands of gay people, which is a real abuse, a real injustice and a real outrage. Deputy John Paul Phelan was the only person to protest about it and, as far as I can tell, he got no support from his party colleagues. This tells us something about the attitude in Government. Do human rights mean something or are they just a pretext for virtue signalling here at home, the better to allow us to cower and doff the cap abroad in the interests of trade, primarily.

Photo of Colm BrophyColm Brophy (Dublin South West, Fine Gael)
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It is particularly important that we are aware of, and restate, our membership of the UN Security Council and the importance of that. It is in light of that membership that the engagements take place, which the Minister, Deputy Coveney, has been engaging in. It is through constructive engagement that we find solutions to many of the problems that face us. Senator Mullen seems to be advocating that you should never talk to anyone with whom you disagree. Such opportunities are of equal importance in allowing the frank discussion around issues of disagreement and for sincerely held views to be directly raised and pursued.

The Ministers agreed on many things, but there were several questions which Ireland and China did not agree on, as I said in my opening contribution, such as on a whole host of global issues, including climate change, the pandemic, and humanitarian challenges in Syria, Ethiopia and Yemen. It is not possible to develop effective responses without including the government that represents nearly one fifth of humanity, that has the second largest economy in the world and is a permanent member of the Security Council, which we currently have the privilege of being a member of. To that end, engagement with China is now, and will remain, necessary if we are to make meaningful progress on these issues.