Seanad debates

Tuesday, 18 June 2019

Gnó an tSeanaid - Business of Seanad

 

2:30 pm

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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I propose that the House suspend until 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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There has been a mistake. The Order of Business was that the Committee Stage of the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill was to continue after this for two hours.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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Until 5.50 p.m. The Minister has to go to the Dáil for a Topical Issue matter.

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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It was to continue for two hours.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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It was to continue after this. That is the Order of Business.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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Will we continue, then?

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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We can continue.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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Originally, we were to continue after this for seven hours. It was proposed that that be changed to three and a half hours, and then to two hours.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Okay. We will continue.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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Does the Minister have his officials?

Photo of Charles FlanaganCharles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
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I do not wish any disrespect to the House, but I have been given notice that a Topical Issue matter has been raised in the Lower House on the Majella Moynihan case. It may well be misinterpreted were I not in a position to attend.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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It was proposed.

Photo of Charles FlanaganCharles Flanagan (Laois, Fine Gael)
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I beg the indulgence of the House.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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I have a commitment at 7.30 p.m.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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The suspension would be until 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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So, it would be two hours.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Yes, from 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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That is not what was agreed on the Order of Business.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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I am trying to facilitate the Minister.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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I know, but that would bring us to 8.30 p.m. and I have to be out of here by 7.30 p.m.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Could we facilitate the Minister in the Dáil for this important matter?

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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I would facilitate him anyway, but we did not agree that this would go from 6.30 p.m. until 8.30 p.m. There will be votes, and many Members will be inconvenienced.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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I understand the Leader indicated on the Order of Business that there is a Topical Issue debate in Dáil Éireann that the Minister has a responsibility to attend and address. The two hours were agreed then. I am trying to contact the Leader now but my understanding is that those two hours commence at 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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That is not my understanding. If the Minister has to attend the Dáil Chamber for an important matter then we should facilitate that. We could, however, start the debate, then suspend-----

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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We cannot start the debate-----

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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We could start the debate now and then suspend to allow the Minister to attend the Dáil. He can then come back to this House. It is only right and proper that we finish at 7.30 p.m.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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I understand that was not agreed on the Order of Business.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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It is clear what was agreed on the Order of Business. The debate on the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017 should follow this business and conclude after two hours.

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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There was no starting time.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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There is no starting time.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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It is within the Acting Chair's discretion to make a ruling.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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I understand. The House agreed to adjourn at 5. 50 p.m., if the Criminal Justice (Mutual Recognition of Probation Judgments and Decisions) Bill 2018 had not previously concluded. It was also agreed that the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017 was to be taken not earlier than 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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I am sorry. I did not know that.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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The acting Leader can now propose a suspension.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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I propose the House suspends until 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Is that agreed?

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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It is not agreed but there we are.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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We cannot vote on this matter because it has already been agreed on the Order of Business.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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It was not agreed.

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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That is not my understanding of what was agreed to on the Order of Business.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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It is within the power of the Acting Chair to make a ruling.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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The proposal the House agreed to was to take the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017 at 6.15 p.m. If the House decides not to suspend-----

Photo of Lorraine Clifford LeeLorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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No, that is not what-----

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order-----

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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-----Members will simply sit here-----

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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-----I clearly indicated when I was reading out the Order of Business earlier that the Minister for Justice and Equality would be required in the Lower House to deal with a Topical Issue matter of a sensitive nature. I asked this House to allow for the Minister attending that debate.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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The Minister wishes to go now.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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If this was in the diaries of Members, then it is a poor sign of the House.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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When the clock stops ticking.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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The Minister is entirely free to go and he is due to be back here at 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Martin ConwayMartin Conway (Fine Gael)
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The House does not have to suspend. We are still sitting.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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It will make no difference to the start time of 6.15 p.m. if the House decides to suspend or not.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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I am sorry but I did not hear that.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Whether the House decides to suspend or not, the Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017 will not start until 6.15 p.m. The debate will go on for two hours.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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The debate goes on for two hours-----

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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That is fine. That is what was agreed.

Photo of Michael McDowellMichael McDowell (Independent)
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-----and starts at 6.15 p.m.

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Yes, that is correct.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Is it proposed to suspend the House?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I propose we suspend until the Minister concludes his Topical Issue matter debate in the Lower House. If he is not finished at 6.15 p.m., we will resume when he has concluded.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Is it proposed to suspend the House until 6.15 p.m.?

Photo of Jerry ButtimerJerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I propose we suspend until 6.15 p.m. We can then re-evaluate in light of the progress of the Topical Issue debate in the Lower House.

Photo of Frank FeighanFrank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Is that agreed? Agreed.

Sitting suspended at 5.44 p.m. and resumed at 6.15 p.m.