Seanad debates

Wednesday, 19 September 2018

Commencement Matters

Defence Forces Remuneration

2:30 pm

Photo of Gabrielle McFaddenGabrielle McFadden (Fine Gael)
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I thank the Minister of State for coming to the House again. On 3 August 1923, the new Irish State passed the Defence Forces Act, which raised an armed force to be called Óglaigh na hÉireann, comprising such numbers of officers, non-commissioned officers and men as may from time to time be provided by the Oireachtas, the new Parliament of the Irish Free State. Ever since that time, the men and women of Óglaigh na hÉireann have served the State loyally and bravely, and they deserve our support. Earlier I proudly took part in the respect and loyalty march because I support better pay for the Defence Forces. We owe them not only our respect but also a fair living. There is no need to rehearse the litany of great work they do at home and abroad, their dignity in times of ceremony, their empathy in times of community distress or the bravery they showed over the decades of attack by the dark forces of the paramilitaries. I have done that a dozen times in the House.

I do not argue we need to pay members of the Defence Forces more to compete with other careers in the economy now that we are approaching full employment. I call for better pay and conditions for one reason only: they deserve it - no more, no less. There is no point in us continuing to blame Fianna Fáíl. While the party caused the mess, Fine Gael is in government now and it is up to us to do what we have always done throughout the history of this State, which is to do the right thing for the men and women of Óglaigh na hÉireann, and the right thing for the country.

Will the Taoiseach and Minister for Defence and the Minister of State with direct responsibility for this issue, Deputy Kehoe, shake off the reticence of the bureaucrats in the Department and ensure that men and women of the Defence Forces get a fair day's pay for a fair day's work? The fact that significant numbers of them have to rely on family income support is unacceptable. We must make work pay. Military life is tough and requires many sacrifices from those who serve and from their loved ones. They know this when they enlist but they should not have to make sacrifices on a basic standard of living to serve their country. Members of the Army, the Navy and the Air Corps should get the same rate of pay as a civilian in a comparable job.On top of that, they deserve additional payment to compensate for the extra challenges they face as serving personnel, such as time away from family, unsociable hours and working under pressure.

These are the people who get up early in the morning, work long hours, nights and weekends and serve us with loyalty and professionalism. They deserve a break and we must never shirk from standing up for them, nor should we ever apologise for doing so.

I ask the Minister to make the issue of military service allowance his priority in the coming weeks. I ask him to fight for the resources necessary to implement an increase in this allowance as part of this year's budget. I ask him to call for an immediate report from the Public Service Pay Commission, whose job it is to establish whether, and to what extent, a difficulty exists in terms of recruitment and retention of specific sectors of the public service and to make proposals to Government for appropriate remuneration. We want this now.

In the case of the Defence Forces, the difficulties are clear. We have had the findings of the workplace climate in Defence Forces study for some time now and, in the interim period, personnel are voting with their feet. They are walking away. The solution is clear: pay people enough to make military service an attractive career option. It is that simple. For almost 100 years, the Defence Forces stood up for us and now it is time for us to stand up for them. Go raibh maith agat.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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The Defence Forces are the bedrock underpinning our safe and secure society. I have never questioned the loyalty or bravery of any member of the Defence Forces if he or she is serving overseas or serving here in Ireland and facing whatever issue they have to respond to. The Government values each member and the roles that members of the Defence Forces carry out along with members of An Garda Síochána and other State agencies. For this reason, the Government has tasked the Public Sector Pay Commission to examine recruitment and retention issues in the Defence Forces. That process is under way and submissions have been made. The commission is engaging with individual serving members of the Irish Defence Forces.

Public service pay and pensions are a significant component of Government expenditure. Similar to other areas within the public service, the pay of the Permanent Defence Force, PDF, was reduced during the financial crisis. The reduction in pay was on a graduated basis with increased rates of deductions for those on higher earnings. These actions were one of the measures necessary to be taken to stabilise the financial situation which the country faced following the economic collapse.

Improvements within the economy provided the opportunity to begin the unwinding of the public service pay cuts imposed on public servants, including members of the Defence Forces. The Defence Forces' pay is continuing to increase in line with other public sector pay agreements. The Permanent Defence Force representative associations balloted their members who voted to accept the terms of the pay agreements. The focus of these increases is weighted in favour of those on lower pay.

Members of the Defence Forces received increases in pay in 2017 under the Lansdowne Road agreement. In addition, in a separate deal agreed with the Permanent Defence Force Other Ranks Representative Association, PDFORRA, the pay of general service recruits and privates who joined the Permanent Defence Force from 1 January 2013 was increased further.

The Public Service Stability Agreement 2018-2020 provides further increases in pay, ranging from 6.2% to 7.4% over the lifetime of the agreement, with the focus of the agreement once again being on the lower paid. The first increase due under the agreement from 1 January 2018 has been paid to Permanent Defence Force personnel and a second increase of 1% on annualised salaries is due on 1 October 2018, which we will see shortly.By the end of the current public service pay agreement the pay of all public servants, including members of the Defence Forces, earning under €70,000 per annum will be restored to pre-FEMPI levels. The restoration of cuts to allowances will also be considered in the context of the agreement.

Basic pay and military service allowance are only an element of the overall income package for members of the PDF. Members of the Defence Forces also receive a range of duty allowances depending on their assigned tasks. Almost half of the PDF personnel receive additional technical pay per week. The rate of technical pay ranges from €420 to €7,000 extra each year depending on the job of the individual member. When these allowances, excluding overseas peace support allowance, are added to basic pay, the current average gross income for a private three star and Naval Service equivalent is just over €35,000 per year. The average annual gross income for a sergeant is just under €45,000. In the officer ranks, the average annual gross income is €52,800 per annum for captains and €88,000 for colonels.

Defence Force personnel are also entitled receive to tax-free overseas allowances while participating in overseas military operations on direction of the Government. The number of personnel serving overseas has increased over the past number of years. As of 1 September 2018, Ireland is contributing 621 Defence Forces personnel to nine missions throughout the world.

Given the unique and demanding nature of military life, there is understandably a relatively high level of turnover among Defence Forces personnel. This is not new and the PDF has always had a level of turnover that far exceeds other areas of the public service. The total number who have left the Defence Forces in recent years is consistent with long term trends.

The Government is committed to maintaining the establishment of the PDF at 9,500 personnel and recognises that a key challenge for the Defence Forces is to reach and maintain this strength. Recruitment competitions have been held this year for general service, cadetships, apprentices and direct entries. The applications from these various competitions are being progressed and successful candidates are being inducted. Another general service recruitment competition is currently in process.

In 2016, the Government established an independent Public Service Pay Commission to provide objective analysis and advice on the most appropriate pay levels for the public service, including the Defence Forces. This informed the most recent pay agreement.

Under my direction, the Department of Defence raised recruitment and retention issues as part of the submission to the commission. The Government has tasked the commission with examining these challenges in the defence sector in more detail. This work has commenced and the Department of Defence has submitted detailed material. In consultation with the senior management of the Defence Forces, the commission has commenced surveying members of the Defence Forces and is being facilitated in this work by military management.

In addition, there is an ongoing programme of HR development within the Defence Forces. A number of initiatives ranging from a review of the conciliation and arbitration scheme, a review of the criteria governing contracts for enlisted personnel and a comprehensive skills gap analysis to the implementation of the Working Time Directive have been initiated. Measures to improve the work-life balance for members of the Defence Forces have also been advanced.

The Government continues to demonstrate its commitment to ensuring that the Defence Forces are equipped and trained to best international standards to meet operational requirements, both at home and abroad. The budget allocation for 2018 delivered an additional €25 million. An additional €98 million for capital expenditure has been provided out to 2021.

These measures address a range of issues that are aimed at ensuring the Defence Forces retain the capabilities to undertake the roles assigned by Government and remain a career of choice for anyone who wants to work in a challenging and varied environment which provides opportunities for lifelong learning and self-development.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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We normally allow eight minutes for these but 13 minutes have elapsed. I ask the Senator to be very brief.

Photo of Gabrielle McFaddenGabrielle McFadden (Fine Gael)
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I will be very brief.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I do not want to establish a precedent. I did not want to interrupt the Minister of State, but his was a long speech.

Photo of Gabrielle McFaddenGabrielle McFadden (Fine Gael)
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Okay, I will be very brief. I thank the Minister of State for his reply. I do not deny his or the Government's respect for, or pride in, the Defence Forces. However, the pay commission is taking too long. Some time between 2012 and 2013, I told the Minster of State that technician's pay needed to be reinstated. I raised that with the Minister of the State back then but it still has not been reinstated. I have three very good friends who were technicians in Athlone. Two of those three died and never received that reinstated pay. That is really unfair. The Government could act on duty pay and does not have to wait for the pay commission for that. It is taking too long. We must stop talking about how proud we are in the Army and Defence Forces and start putting our money where our mouth is and start paying them.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I call on the Minister of State to respond briefly, if he can.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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I will speak as briefly as I can but I must address the issues put to me. I do not agree that the independent Public Service Pay Commission is taking too long. It only sat in the last few months. It has prioritised the health sector and the Defence Forces following recommendations that I made to the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform.

The Department of Defence does not set the pay grades. It is a matter for the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform which deals with all payments to all public servants. It is not a matter for the Department of Defence. I will defend the public servants in the Department of Defence who do an outstanding and a fabulous job. They come in for considerable criticism and I do not accept it. If criticism came their way and I thought that they deserved it, I would say so, but it is not the case. I will defend them. From senior management down, they advocate for the Defence Forces. It is a matter for the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, under whose Department the Public Service Pay Commission operates. Any submissions we make, we make to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform which forwards it to the pay commission. We have sent an evidence-based submission to the pay commission.

We are in a process of restoring the pay cuts introduced across the public service during the economic downturn. At a parade at Cathal Brugha Barracks this morning, I acknowledged the challenges the Defence Forces face.

We have a stronger economy than before. I will work with the Department and senior management in the Defence Forces to bring those challenges to the Public Service Pay Commission. The process is under way. Submissions have been made. The commission is now engaging with individual serving members. I look forward to the outcome of the commission's work which will provide for the basis of addressing the issues within the Defence Forces.

I will say one thing-----

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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No, please, this is absolutely ridiculous. We had eight minutes-----

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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I will have one sentence.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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We had eight minutes and now we have had 16. If we allow this precedent, I will adjourn the House.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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I have one sentence. A great deal of misinformation has gone out in recent days. I ask the people concerned to check their facts before doing so. I thank the Cathaoirleach for allowing me the extra time.

Photo of Denis O'DonovanDenis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)
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I should not have allowed it. In future I will be strict on time. The Minister of State had 17 minutes. In future he will have to cut his cloth along the lines of the time I allow as this is not acceptable.