Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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The Order of Business is No. 1, Proceeds of Crime (Amendment) Bill 2016 - Order for Second Stage and Second Stage, to be taken at 4.45 p.m., with the contributions of group spokespersons not to exceed eight minutes and all other Senators not to exceed five minutes.

Catherine Ardagh (Fianna Fail)
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I extend my deepest sympathy and that of the Fianna Fáil group to the people of Iraq, whom I understand are holding three days of mourning for the 215 people tragically killed and the hundreds injured in the latest spate of suicide bombings during the holy month of Ramadan in the name of Islamic State.It is difficult to imagine the grief and the fear these families and communities are going through due to these cowardly and hateful acts.

Two weeks ago to the day, I raised in the House the shooting of a man on Monasterboice Road, Crumlin, which is in the very heart of my constituency. Today, I rise to my feet again with a sickening sense of déjàvu. Last Friday, David Douglas was shot on Bridgefoot Street in the south inner city. It is incredible to have three shootings a couple of weeks apart, two of them in my constituency of Dublin South Central, together with the tragic news that a man was critically injured this morning in Lusk. I cannot help but feel that if these shootings happened in the Taoiseach's or the Tánaiste's constituencies, there would be a much more robust reaction on the part of the Government to deal with these thugs who believe the only way to solve disputes is through the barrel of a gun. I extend my sympathies to the latest victims' families and the communities in which these shootings occurred.

The Government's performance on law and order is a matter of great concern to me. The Tánaiste recently allocated additional resources to help gardaí to tackle gangland activities and those resources were to go to a special armed response unit equipped to do so. The fact that more shootings and murders have taken place since the Tánaiste announced the resourcing is an indictment of her and her Department. How many more people need to die before the Government wakes up and realises that it is quickly loosing any semblance of being in control? How many murders must take place in the same blatant fashion as that which occurred last Friday and today's shooting - both in broad daylight - before serious questions are posed as to the Tánaiste's credibility in dealing with murderous gangs? Another deeply worrying twist in this worsening crisis was highlighted in newspaper reports yesterday to the effect that potential witnesses are being threatened in south inner city pubs and informed that they will get a bullet in the head if they testify in upcoming cases. This most recent development further highlights the challenges gardaí face in dealing with the criminals behind these threats. The Tánaiste must wake up and realise that action and resources are required as a matter of urgency. Failure to provide these will result in many more deaths. If the Government does not tackle the gangs head-on, it will only be a matter of time before - as happened in Limerick - innocent people who have no connection with the warring families or criminality will be caught in the crossfire.

Further issues which buttress the argument to preserve the Special Criminal Court include the difficulty the State has in getting people to serve as jurors where gun crimes of this nature come to trial. In 2003, it was not possible to find 12 people in Limerick to act as jurors in the trial of six people who were charged with the murder of gangland figure, Kieran Keane. Where 729 were called to jury duty, 12 could not be found. The Tánaiste must outline publicly how she will tackle these criminals. No further delays in the establishment of the armed response unit can be tolerated. The Tánaiste must also set out how she will protect witnesses from criminals if they are to testify. Finally, she must introduce minimum mandatory sentencing for anyone caught in possession of an illegal firearm. Any person caught with such a firearm should know that he or she will serve a minimum of ten years behind bars. A sentence of that length is entirely proportionate given the worsening crisis. We must demonstrate that we are willing to take a very hard stance on serious crimes of this nature. I propose that the Order of Business be amended and that the Tánaiste be called on to address the Seanad in order that she might outline the measures she is taking to stem the escalation in gun crime and cold-blooded murder in our cities.

Victor Boyhan (Independent)
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In the context of the conference held by the Association of Irish Local Government last week, I wish to point out that more than 42 new Senators have been elected to the House and that many of us were elected by local authority members. The Association of Irish Local Government and the Local Authority Members Association have raised numerous concerns with each of us. I took the trouble last week to take out the literature that was circulated during the Seanad election campaign. Without exception, everyone elected here from that group gave commitments to highlight issues in relation to PRSI, allowances for councillors and their representational payments.There is an expectation that there would be some debate on this issue in the Seanad before the recess. I fully understand and empathise with their concerns, frustration and disappointment and, now sadly, their anger. The challenge is what we will do on a cross-party basis. I do not want to do a solo run on this - I have left it for the past two weeks - but we need a cross-party commitment. It is not good enough to be told the leader of Fianna Fáil says something, the leader of Fine Gael says something else or the leader of the Labour Party says another thing. We need to do something. We need to use the craft of politics on the floor of this House. This is how politics is conducted. Will the Leader agree to have the Minister in the House for statements, discussion and debate in support of our colleagues who do an exceptional job, seven days a week in local government?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator has made his point and his time is up. I call Senator Conway-Walsh.

Rose Conway Walsh (Sinn Fein)
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I want to raise the issue of the recent comments by the chairman of the commission set up to review the charging for domestic water use. I, like many others, was shocked to hear the chairman express opinions, not only in favour of charging for domestic water but vilifying those who opposed charges.

David Norris (Independent)
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I was shocked.

Rose Conway Walsh (Sinn Fein)
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I was actually shocked because I had never before seen a chairperson-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I hope the Senator is not going to name anyone who is not here to defend themselves.

Rose Conway Walsh (Sinn Fein)
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I was shocked because it undermines the whole credibility of this commission. It is like the referee setting out the result of a football match before it starts. It should not be forgotten that this commission is in place during this hiatus and is meant to be independent, so as to assure the public that whatever solution is eventually reached, it is impartial and independent. Impartiality and independence are what people need in dealing with this serious matter. There is no point in having this expert commission if its chairman has already made up his mind on the issue and seems to have no respect for those who have an alternative opinion.

If these remarks are not withdrawn, we will be asking the Minister, Deputy Coveney, to come to the Seanad to explain how the commission can carry out its work appropriately under the circumstances. It is a serious issue which affects thousands of families across the country. So as not to undermine the credibility of the commission, the Seanad has a responsibility to address this. It cannot be ignored.

Up to 187,112 family carers provide 6.2 million hours of care each week. This morning I attended an excellent briefing by Family Carers Ireland. The issue of carers has been discussed in the Seanad before but several matters have come to a head recently. I know carers in my constituency who are mentally, physically and financially exhausted because of the care they are providing. It comes as no surprise that carers are a net contributor to the economy and, indeed, to the Health Service Executive budget. However, the figures of €4 billion to the economy and a third of the HSE budget are staggering, particularly given the difficulties they continue to face in providing such a vital service. With several months having passed since the programme for Government was published, will the Leader ascertain when phase 2 of the national carers’ strategy will be published with the associated ring-fenced funding? This is vitally important because there is no point in having the strategy unless the moneys are ring-fenced to resource it. It was said in 2012 that phase 2 would be revisited once the economy had recovered. We were told ad nauseamduring the election campaign that the recovery was well under way. It is now time to set a date for the strategy’s publication. I support the call by Family Carers Ireland for its funding to be increased to meet the 25% increase in the population over 65. As legislators, we can arrange for a statutory entitlement to home care services as exist for residential care. That is vitally important.Until it is put on a statutory footing, we will not treat carers in the way they deserve to be treated. Nobody should be impacted on financially in choosing to care for a loved one at home, saving the State money in the long term. This is a serious issue on which I ask for support across the House. We have to put carers front and centre in this Seanad.

Colette Kelleher (Independent)
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I join Senator Catherine Ardagh in extending condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed so tragically in Iraq.

I concur with Senator Rose Conway-Walsh in support of the Civil Engagement group for the proposals set out by Family Carers Ireland this morning in its pre-budget submission, in which they seek to achieve fairness for family carers. It is undoubtedly the case that they are carrying the can for society. It is overdue that, as a state and a society, we weighed in with them. The need to put access to home care on a legislative footing was highlighted last week by the Alzheimer Society of Ireland and Family Carers Ireland has also called for this to happen, which we support.

I refer to the plight of people who are homeless. I worked for Cork Simon Community for eight years and it is a cause about which I care deeply. Since yesterday morning, a group of homeless persons have been occupying John's Lane West Hostel off Thomas Street, which is due to close this week. The group is protesting about the lack of replacement emergency beds. The hostel is closing because it is to be converted into apartments. However, the 42 residents of the hostel claim that no alternative accommodation has been provided for them and they are worried about their future. They have little and that little is disappearing. One of the residents is a woman by the name of Rosemary Hughes. She is visually impaired and has a guide dog. She has lived in the hostel for the past three months. Yesterday, she said:

I'm not going anywhere until this is sorted ... we want suitable accommodation; we want respect and we want to be treated like human beings ... people are really worried asthey don't have a bed for tomorrow night.

Rosemary who said she had "slept in almost doorway in Grafton Street" was placed in the hostel after being attacked on the streets. In John's Lane she said: "It's the first time I've had my own room and it feels like forever." Asked what she would do if she lost her bed, she said she would have to "go back to sleeping in the doorway of BT2 with Quilla," her dog.

The hostel is owned by Focus Ireland and operated by the Peter McVerry Trust. It first opened in the winter of 2014 as part of the emergency response to the death of Mr. Jonathan Corrie who died on the streets outside Leinster House. The Government must do everything it can to provide suitable long-term housing for homeless persons like Rosemary. In the short term, with others, she must be provided with an alternative emergency bed this week. Similar to the closure of John's Lane West hostel, the Dublin Simon hostel on Harcourt Street is due to close and there are strong objections to the replacement service on Fitzwilliam Square, putting even more emergency beds at risk. In May 102 people were sleeping rough in Dublin, an increase of 12% since last November. This is on top of the 4,262 people in emergency beds, of whom approximately 1,800 are children. Senators and Deputies must ensure the energy and momentum for change generated in the aftermath of the general election are not lost and that the recent recommendations of the Committee on Housing and Homelessness are implemented. They include the provision of 50,000 social housing units, rent certainty, security of tenure and ensuring no homeless shelters are closed until alternative accommodation is found. Before the John's Lane West and Harcourt Street hostels are closed permanently, Rosemary and other residents should be provided with safe and secure alternative accommodation. I would be grateful if the Leader would raise this urgent issue directly with the Minister responsible before tomorrow.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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The Protection of Life in Pregnancy (Amendment) (Fatal Foetal Abnormalities) (No. 2) Bill 2013 was introduced by Deputy Mick Wallace in the Dáil last week and I support it. Most Senators realise we need to "Repeal the Eighth" to make a substantial change in this regard.However, we cannot cherry-pick the Constitution. We cannot say, "I like this bit of the Constitution and I don't like that." We are either democrats or we are not democrats. We need to respect the people of the State and their decision as they make it in a referendum. We can work for change and bring it back, and articulate and argue a case for change within the Constitution.

I am deeply worried when I hear officeholders using terms such as, "I do not know whether the Bill is anti-constitutional and I do not care." Article 28 of the Constitution relates to collective Cabinet responsibility. I am concerned that members of the Cabinet now seem to cherry-pick regarding the advice they take from the Attorney General and whether it is okay to take the advice from the Attorney General on whether to pay one's water charges bill or whether one acts as part of the collective in Cabinet. I greatly respect the decision of the Minister, Deputy Zappone, to accept the Attorney General's advice on the Bill to be voted on this week.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I do not think we should discuss matters that are more relevant to the other House. The Senator is naming people-----

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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This is relevant.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Government is not responsible to the Seanad.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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There is nothing more relevant to this House than upholding the Constitution. We can talk in this House about new politics or-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator is entitled to his opinion, but he should not make assumptions.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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----- we can talk in this House about reckless politics. I am asking the Leader of the House to request the Taoiseach to come in here and answer for his stewardship of the Cabinet, regarding upholding Article 28 of the Constitution on collective Cabinet responsibility.

The Ministers sitting around the Cabinet table have had the opportunity to hear the advice of the Attorney General and have avoided making a decision today on whether they should have collective Cabinet responsibility. There is a collective responsibility on the Cabinet to make a decision on whether the Bill before the Dáil is constitutional and they are now avoiding that.

I fear this is a downgrading of what has pertained heretofore. The Cabinet has always upheld Article 28. I am not putting a motion. I am asking the Leader to ask the Taoiseach to come here and answer for the role the Cabinet is taking regarding upholding the Constitution. The issue is far too important to allow members of the Cabinet to cherry-pick the advice they take. It is not good enough to seek the advice of the Attorney General on payment of water charges and then opt out on another issue of such importance. That is not acceptable and I ask the Leader of the House-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator has made his point.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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----- to call the Taoiseach to come here to answer for his behaviour this week.

Joe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)
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I ask the Leader to invite the newly-appointed Minister for Health to come to the Seanad for a specific debate on the strategies that should be employed to ensure that more people are treated in their homes, thus reducing hospital waiting lists and unemployment. There is huge potential to increase the number of home help hours available. This should be at worst cost neutral and probably a cost benefit as it would keep people out of expensive care elsewhere. It is also where people are happiest.

We need a debate on increasing the number of home help hours available and getting much more comprehensive home help packages, particularly in the case of people with Alzheimer's disease, dementia, etc., where there should be no age restrictions. Much can be done with home care packages. I agree with the sentiments of Senator Conway-Walsh in regard to carers. Large-scale reform of the home carer scheme is required. The amount home carers receive and their fringe benefits should be increased and it should be made an attractive option for people to stay at home and care for loved ones, because home is where people want to be. I believe the potential of home helps, home help packages and carers has not been fully exploited as a method of keeping people at home, eliminating waiting lists and increasing cost effectiveness.

I ask the Leader to examine this issue. The Leader is a former distinguished chair of the health committee and will have an appreciation of the potential that exists. We need to think outside the box, we need to spend a lot more money in this sphere and we need to take action urgently. It is a very important debate.

Jennifer Murnane O'Connor (Fianna Fail)
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I wish to propose an amendment in line with non-Government motion 6 on the Order Paper. The Fianna Fáil group proposes: “That Seanad Éireann calls for a Seanad committee representative of all the political groups to be established in order to examine councillors’ terms and conditions, including PRSI class K status, pension rights and other related matters and that this committee would consult with representatives from both the Association of Irish Local Government (AILG) and the Local Authority Members Association (LAMA).”

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Are you proposing that this be taken today?

Jennifer Murnane O'Connor (Fianna Fail)
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Yes. Following the 2014 local government reforms, the areas served by councillors have expanded and their workload has increased. In counties with a small population, like Carlow, councillors are faced with a shortage of funding to carry out even basic works like grass cutting, for example. This leads to a lot of frustration. Councillors have to deal directly with communities who are paying extra taxes, like the local property tax. The communities, therefore, have greater expectations of the work to be carried out by their local authority, when, in reality, the councils are doing more work. It is not only important but essential that the Minister sets up this committee to work with AILG, LAMA and all of the political groups here. Every councillor deserves a proper stamp and proper pension rights-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
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On a point of order, I cannot hear what the Senator is saying with the amount of traffic that is taking place in the House, and I want to hear her point. The Senator is trying to get above the noise.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I take your point. Ciúnas. Senator Murnane O'Connor should resume.

Jennifer Murnane O'Connor (Fianna Fail)
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Senator O'Donnell is correct that the noise was very loud.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
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It is not a train station.

Jennifer Murnane O'Connor (Fianna Fail)
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Absolutely. It is not only important but essential that the Minister sets up this committee to liaise with AILG, LAMA and all of the political groups. Councillors deserve a proper stamp and pension rights. I was a councillor for 19 years on Carlow County Council, and like other councillors and Senators who have been councillors previously, I was honoured to represent my community. However, councillors have been affected by what is called local government reform. There have been cutbacks everywhere and local authorities and councillors have been affected.

I ask the Minister to address the House. It is essential that councillors get their entitlements, which is what we in the Fianna Fáil group are looking for.

Ray Butler (Fine Gael)
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I ask the Leader to invite the Minister of State with responsibility for regional economic development, Deputy Michael Ring, to the House for a debate on retail planning in rural Ireland. We have all been on the Seanad campaign and have gone through large towns and villages in rural Ireland where we have seen many shops closed. Local planning authorities give planning permission for out-of-town shopping centres and supermarkets, while the local shopkeeper in the centre of town has to pay rates and insult is added to injury due to parking charges. How can anyone compete when there are 500 free parking spaces on the outskirts of a town? We want people to shop in the centre of town but they have to pay these charges.

This problem arose in England 20 years ago and it devastated towns. Even in bigger towns like Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds, the centres became ghettos because of out-of-town shopping centres.Some 20 years on planning authorities here are granting planning permission for shopping centres. In one town alone I counted 23 shops which had been closed on the main street. Planning authorities in rural Ireland are not taking this on board. They are granting planning permission to multinationals in order that they can draw in massive amounts in rates, while the ordinary shopkeeper who has survived through the recession is struggling. They then charge parking fees outside their doors. We need the Minister, all relevant groups and the local authorities to draw up a plan. From what I saw while travelling around rural Ireland during the Seanad election campaign, all we need now is tumbleweed in certain towns because no business is being conducted. This is happening all over Ireland. I would, therefore, like to see the Minister come into the House and planning authorities in rural Ireland considering this issue which represents a serious problem for retail businesses.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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I am delighted to see that interest in our electorate, particularly county councillors, has come to the fore. I, therefore, ask the Leader to amend the Order of Business to take No. 11, non-Government motion No. 2, first today. There are three amendments to the motion tabled by my colleagues, Senators Denis Landy and Gerald Nash. The plight of county councillors has been spoken about in this Chamber, particularly in the past 18 months, but much lip service has been paid to this group. The way in which they are being treated is absolutely outrageous. I received an e-mail the other day from a councillor who in the 21st century has a broken black and white printer to deal with his administrative craft-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is the Senator also proposing an amendment to the Order of Business?

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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I am-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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To be discussed today.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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On a point of order, I did not hear the amendment Senator Gerard P. Craughwell said he was proposing. Will he repeat it, please?

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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It concerns No. 11, non-Government motion No. 2, the motion I had agreed to take in Private Members' time-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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To be taken before No. 1 today.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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If amendments are to be moved to it - Senator Denis Landy has tabled three amendments to it - it should be the most comprehensive item-----

Robbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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It is not on the Order Paper.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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It is.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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I ask-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Does the Senator want No. 11, non-Government motion No. 2, to be taken today before No. 1?

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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That is the amendment proposed to the Order of Business.

Robbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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It is not on the Order Paper.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We will clarify the matter now. It is.

David Norris (Independent)
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All I can see is a motion on Seanad political reform.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Order, please. I will give Senators the page number. It is listed on page 316.

Maura Hopkins (Fine Gael)
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I refer to concerns about the need for urgent action on the N5, particularly between Frenchpark and Strokestown. Locals have informed me that there are black spots along this section of road. We understand there have been over 20 accidents at a particular one. I have raised this issue on several occasions in the past year with Roscommon County Council and ask that Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, deal with it urgently. We need to see a review of, or action taken on, the need for better signage, verges and road surfacing on the N5, particularly between Frenchpark and Strokestown. I am also very concerned about vehicles being driven at excessive speeds through the villages of Frenchpark, Bellanagare and Tulsk. We know that there is a plan for a new route between Scramogue and Tibohine, which will be a very positive development when it happens. However, in the interim I call for urgent action to deal with what is a major route to the west. I will be seeking a meeting with Transport Infrastructure Ireland and ask the Minister, Deputy Shane Ross, and the Minister of State, Deputy Patrick O'Donovan, to take this issue very seriously. As I have highlighted, there have been many accidents along this section of road and every accident is one too many. We need to reduce the risk as much as possible.There are identified safety risks on this section and I ask for action to be taken as quickly as possible.

Paul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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I wish to raise the alarming report by Social Justice Ireland today which highlights that we now have 750,000 people living in poverty in this State, an increase of over 100,000 since the onset of the austerity policies. Within that figure are 230,000 children living in poverty. It is a huge indictment of Government policies. I have to ask the question as how this happened. Was it by accident? Did we suddenly miss that we had so much poverty and inequality in the country? Of course, it was not by accident. It was as a direct result of policy choices made by both the last Fine Gael-Labour Party Government and by the Fianna Fáil Government that bankrupted the State.

Rather than choosing to increase taxes on those who can afford to pay more, both Governments chose to cut child benefit, jobseeker's allowance, one-parent family allowance, carer's allowance, means-tested fuel allowance and pension payments. That is how it has happened. It is an absolute disgrace.

I am calling for a debate on this issue. I ask the Leader to bring the Minister with responsibility for social welfare into the House. If we care about poverty, all of us need to ensure that the upcoming budget is equality-proofed. That way, rather than just talking about the problem, we can ensure that we do something concrete to make sure that this inequality is not exacerbated any further.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is the Senator looking for a debate or moving an amendment?

Paul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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I am asking the Leader for a debate.

Frank Feighan (Fine Gael)
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Coming from the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly plenary over the last two days, the Brexit issue is of huge importance to this country, the UK and to Europe. I am disappointed that an all-Ireland forum has not been set up both North and South to address the implications of this serious issue. It has gone unnoticed in this Chamber, but the North-South Interparliamentary Association has met in this Chamber every six months for the last three years. Many issues have been discussed, including cross-border tourism and infrastructure. It has gone unnoticed.

There have been politicians of different hues in this Chamber and from different parties in Stormont involved. After the most important decision that could affect this country in the last 50 years, we really need to look at it from a cross-border, all-Ireland basis. I call on the Minister to come into the House to explain what exactly is being done and what can be done. In the last five years, our country has been at the heart of Europe and we can do a lot. However, we cannot do things in silos when dealing with Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, the island of Ireland, the UK and Europe. We need an all-Ireland approach. I ask the Minister to come into the House to try to see if we could have all-Ireland co-operation on this very important matter.

Robbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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I ask the Leader whether he would take on board the many issues surrounding Brexit. The one I wish to discuss today is the issue of third-level students and the Brexit vote. As everybody in this room knows, many students from all over Ireland, particularly from Border counties, attend universities both in Northern Ireland and the UK. There is a reciprocal arrangement for students from the UK and Northern Ireland who come here to the South of Ireland to go to college to study for their degrees or whatever. The outcome of the referendum could have a major impact on those students, particularly those from this jurisdiction who are heading either to the North of Ireland or to the UK to further their studies. It is an issue, among many others, I would add, that needs to be addressed and taken on board.This vacuum is causing many families concern.

During the negotiations, which are estimated to last two years, this will probably not be an immediate issue but it needs to be addressed. Students who sat their leaving certificates or are in the middle of courses are facing the uncertainty of not knowing whether their fees will increase in a couple of years' time. This issue affects a large number of students and it is essential that it be given priority during the negotiations between Britain, Ireland and the EU.

Regarding councillors' terms and conditions, I was a councillor for more than 15 years. It is important that the House speaks with one voice on this issue. Our ambition is to improve the terms and conditions of councillors. If we do not, we will find it difficult to get people to enter into local government at a time when we are encouraging many to do so.

Tim Lombard (Fine Gael)
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I wish to raise the issue of where we are going with the tourism industry. It is going well in some locations, for example, in my part of the world in Kinsale, Cork, but I am concerned about the change in strategy and policy. In Kinsale, approximately 2,500 people passed through the tourist office in the past six months but its staff numbers have been reduced. It had three staff last year but only two this year.

The main factor in our tourism industry is our people. They are key. The front face is important. Our people are the friendly faces that guide our tourists. We must invest in our front face. There has been major investment in roots tourism and digital media but we cannot forget what it is that Ireland is trying to sell, namely, our people. This is the key marketing goal that we need to push. We must debate with the Minister the focus that must be placed on the front-line staff of, in particular, Fáilte Ireland. They must be supported and have the resources necessary to show tourists around the country. When one goes to any other part of the world, the first place one visits is the tourist office. We must support our infrastructure and the people on the ground. A debate on this matter would be appropriate and helpful for our tourists and the tourism industry.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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I am delighted that the issue of councillors' terms and conditions has been raised. I have been raising it regularly and I was the only Oireachtas Member on the review group on local government set up by the former Minister, Deputy Kelly. We surveyed councillors' terms and conditions, including their work conditions. The Association of Irish Local Government, AILG, also conducted a survey. Both surveys showed that, on average, a councillor spent 35 hours per week on council work. The case is well made for councillors' terms and conditions to be improved.

In my amendment to Senators Craughwell and Boyhan's motion, I spelled out what was proposed by the then Minister but which did not get through the process. One element was to increase councillors' annual allowance from €2,286 to €4,500. This measure has been proposed and is there to be implemented. With my amendment, I second Senator Craughwell's motion.

I support Senator Murnane O'Connor. In the previous Seanad, there was a group on which Senator Wilson represented the Fianna Fáil Party. We met the Minister. It worked well and caused the review to happen but this is an ongoing process. It has nearly been brought to finality-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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On a small point of order, the Senator can only second one amendment.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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I said that I was supporting it, not seconding it.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Sorry.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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I was conscious of that. I support Senator Murnane O'Connor's amendment. We can do this without any ministerial approval. The Whip of each group just needs to nominate someone, be it himself or herself. We should do that this evening. It would progress the case for councillors further.

There are many new Senators. Those who are returning and those who were councillors previously know the importance to society and our communities of councillors and the work that they do.This is a good day for councillors. We seem to be receiving cross-party and cross-group support so far today. We can make progress on this and bring it to finality by way of bringing in improvements for councillors.

Colm Burke (Fine Gael)
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I support my colleagues with regard to councillors. There was a review of local government carried out in respect of the 2014 local elections. We reduced the number of councillors and expanded their jurisdictions but did not make the appropriate adjustments to allowances and expenses. In fairness to councillors, they are providing local leadership in their communities and they work extremely hard. If one wants to survive as a councillor, one must put in the hard work. They are doing so. In fairness to the Minister, the matter is under review but it is important that we have some indication from him as to the timeline. This is the issue about which I am concerned.

This matter was raised over 12 months ago. The local elections were in June 2014. Two years on, we are nearly half way through councillors’ term. It is now that the review should be carried out and delivered on. I have come across a number of councillors, with young families or children in third level education, who are now finding it extremely difficult to make ends meet. That must be taken into account. Can the Minister indicate when the review will be completed? It is a question of delivering on a comprehensive package and not just a question of a little tweak here and there.

On the issue of Console and the charity regulator, we need to grasp the extent of this matter. Some 2,600 organisations receive funding from the HSE, amounting to €3.6 billion per annum. We need to have proper structures in place to ensure proper auditing mechanisms. I ask the Leader to acquire some clarification to ensure all those procedures are put in place.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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On a point of order, I would like the record to be clear on the fact that the review started by the former Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly, is completed.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I am afraid that is not a point of order.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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There is no need for any other review. That is only stalling the horse.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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That has nothing to do with procedure.

Denis Landy (Labour)
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The review is completed and the recommendations have been made.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I must rule the Senator out of order. He has already spoken.

Keith Swanick (Fianna Fail)
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Some 266 people were handed the gift of life in 2015 through organ donation. This figure has increased substantially due to the diligent work of Organ Donation and Transplant Ireland, which is headed by Professor Jim Egan. Outcomes for transplant recipients in Ireland continue to rank among the best in Europe. Currently, organ donation in Ireland is based on a voluntary donation system and it occurs in 32 intensive care units throughout the country. The National Organ Procurement Service operates a 24-hour service 365 days per year. Its highly trained and motivated staff travel to the relevant hospital and guide the family through the very traumatic experience. All stakeholders are treated with dignity and respect. The service does good work and I ask the Leader to ask the Minister to ensure its funding is secured and maintained.

Paddy Burke (Fine Gael)
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I wish to support a good Senator in front of me, Senator Butler, in regard to rates on commercial buildings. Small businesses are under enormous pressure. The Senator is correct in saying out-of-town shopping centres could affect the life and soul of many towns throughout the country. Even the small towns have been sucked into the bigger urban areas.It is important for the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine and the Minister for Finance to find a way forward to get cheaper money for farmers and small businesses to carry them over at crisis time. There is no doubt that there is a crisis taking place in farming and that farmers need a certain amount of funding at different times of the year to carry them over. We see clearly our counterparts in Spain, Portugal and other European member states who have access to interest rates of 2% and 3% on short term or overdraft borrowings to tide farmers and small businesses over at crunch times whether it is to buy in stock or while they wait for cash crops to mature and be sold. I ask the Leader to arrange at some stage for the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine to put at the top of their agendas the need for a special financial arrangement for farmers and small businesses, in particular to tide them over at crucial times throughout the year. That is what happens in certain countries throughout the year and I have no doubt that it can be done here with a bit of ingenuity.

David Norris (Independent)
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These days, there is very little in the way of real politics. It is all entertainment. We have people like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage and this afternoon we were treated to an extraordinary concentration on the doings of local authorities and grass cutting. For a national parliament, it is obviously just naked electioneering. We have had the odd laugh out of this mongrel Government, but nothing in the wildest extremes of my imagination could conjure up a situation where there would be a Cabinet crisis over the conscience of Shane Ross. It calls to mind the resonance of the War of Jenkins' Ear.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator-----

David Norris (Independent)
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It has a lot more to do with Mr. Ross trying to take a poke at the Taoiseach.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator is out of order. Pay attention, please. Refer to the Minister properly by his title.

David Norris (Independent)
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Sorry.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The person to whom the Senator refers is now Minister Ross. Please refer to him correctly.

David Norris (Independent)
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I beg his pardon. It is the conscience of Minister Ross. We have had this fabulous - and I use the word in its correct application - resonance with the War of Jenkins' Ear. It seems to me that it is avoiding the issue altogether, which is the repeal of the eighth amendment. The Attorney General is usually quite cautious and says things are unconstitutional and we have to take her word. There is such a thing as Cabinet confidentiality. All the medical experts in charge of maternity hospitals tell us this is defective. Unlike Mr. Cabinet Minister Gove, I would be rather inclined to listen to the experts from time to time on the odd chance that they might have something informed to say on the subject.

Michelle Mulherin (Fine Gael)
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I welcome the strides being made on the roll-out of the national broadband plan and, in particular, the fact that the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Naughten, has brought to Cabinet today firm proposals as to how it might proceed and how we might see it delivered on the ground. This needs to be driven forward and the Minister should be commended for hitting the ground running.

On the issue of broadband and jobs, I note that we have a state-of-the-art transatlantic fibre-optic cable from New York, which makes landfall at Killala, County Mayo, and goes on to connect New York with London. It is state-of-the-art in that the data and information capacity of the cable is equivalent to that of all current cables under sea or on the seabed between North America and Europe. It is significant. The Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Deputy Mary Mitchell O'Connor, is anxious to implement the regional action plan for jobs to see jobs created on the ground. There is a golden opportunity with this technology.With all the capacity of this high-speed cable, one particular area on which we need to focus is data centres. We know we have an ideal climate for such centres. At the location where the cable makes landfall, a combined heat-and-power biomass plant is being developed. One key consideration for developers of data centres is that there would be a source of renewable energy close to hand because they are energy guzzlers.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator's time is up.

Michelle Mulherin (Fine Gael)
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In achieving the objective of delivering jobs and investment in the west and in Mayo under the regional Action Plan for Jobs, will the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation look at the development of data centres at the former Asahi site and Knock Airport? Will she also ensure all Government agencies are moving in that direction, be it the county council, IDA Ireland, Enterprise Ireland and the Western Development Commission, in dealing with that particular task?

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Sinn Fein)
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I seek leave to introduce the Coroners (Amendment) Bill 2016, Jake’s amendment Bill. I discussed this with the Leader previously. I hope it can go on the Order Paper and be taken next Tuesday.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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It is still with the Bills Office.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Sinn Fein)
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I hope it can be progressed. Will the Leas-Chathaoirleach advise me on the process?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator cannot move the Bill now because it is not on the Order Paper.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Sinn Fein)
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Do I give notice to the Seanad Office?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Yes, but the Senator should wait until it appears on the Order Paper. He cannot make any move until it appears on the Order Paper.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Sinn Fein)
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What is the normal timeframe? I submitted this Bill weeks ago.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator can discuss it with us afterwards.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Sinn Fein)
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Okay, that is fine. I will discuss it later on.

Most Senators would have been circulated with the concerns of the Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association, ICSA, about the recent comments by the German Vice-Chancellor indicating that in his opinion there would have to be cutbacks to the Common Agricultural Policy, following the Brexit vote. We need to see a strong response from the Government. The Taoiseach needs to rebuff these comments and reassure the farming community. Accordingly, will the Leader consider amending tomorrow’s statements on farm safety with the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine to widen the debate to deal with the concerns of the farming community following these comments? We cannot just dismiss these because it is the German Vice-Chancellor and not some minor political representative.

I want to record my party’s support for other Members on councillors’ pay and conditions. We need to address this issue as they are not paid enough nor do they have the entitlements they deserve for the work they put in. They do not get the respect at national level anyway for the work they put in. This needs to be addressed and we support whatever efforts are being made to do this.

Catherine Noone (Fine Gael)
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I support other councillors-----

David Norris (Independent)
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Sorry, we are Senators.

Catherine Noone (Fine Gael)
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Yes, Senators.

David Norris (Independent)
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You said “councillors”.

Catherine Noone (Fine Gael)
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Well I meant to say “Senators”.

David Norris (Independent)
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There is very little difference these days in this House.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator Noone without interruption.

Catherine Noone (Fine Gael)
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I apologise for the error. I think everyone knew what I meant.

I support Senator Murnane O'Connor. I am delighted we have cross-party support because with new politics, it will require the support of all the political parties to get it through. It is not exactly a popular move in how the public might perceive it. The Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Varadkar, has already shown a willingness to improve the K class, which is important. I am glad it is on the agenda.

Over the past several weeks, I conducted a survey at supermarkets around the Dublin area on the issue of sugar and food labelling. Among parents, it seems there is some deception as to how food producers put the content of sugar, salt and other ingredients on their labels.With regard to one yoghurt, in particular, of the people questioned, 61% incorrectly believed that the product was a healthy choice for their child. It is worrying that even though parents are trying hard to decipher their labels, food companies are making it difficult for them. I compliment an initiative by Q102, a Dublin radio station, which has been good at highlighting matters such as this. It gives a Sugar Savvy Card to listeners, which outlines basic facts such as 4g of sugar equalling one teaspoon and sugar consumption per day, which should be no more than 12 teaspoons for an adult. The card also highlights the different ways sugar can be described on a menu, including syrup, honey, malt, cane, molasses and so on. I raise this issue frequently and I am sure I sound like a killjoy but this is important and I would be grateful if the Leader would agree to bring the Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Marcella Corcoran Kennedy, to the House discuss this in the near future. There are issues relating to EU law when it comes to traffic light labelling which would make life simpler for consumers.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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Senators Feighan and Gallagher raised the issue of Brexit. When the British Government triggers Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, the House should have a rolling debate about Brexit because it is the most significant event in the history of the State. We will face nothing as serious as this. The British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly completed its most recent plenary earlier. The House was presented by Senators Paul Coghlan, Wilson, Landy, Feighan, Noone, Boyhan, Horkan and myself. We have a team to represent the House in discussions with members of the British, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Ireland, Isle of Man and Guernsey parliaments. I am delighted Ms Arlene Foster has not agreed to set up another body to represent-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We have run out of time. I cannot allow the Senator to ramble on, unfortunately.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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I am not rambling on.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We are up against the clock.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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The Leas-Chathaoirleach is a member of the assembly and he will recognise the fact-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is the Senator seconding an amendment?

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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One of my colleagues has seconded an amendment.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I am up against the clock. If the Senator wishes to second something, I would like him to do it. I call Senator Clifford-Lee.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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I am not finished yet. I understand there is no time limit.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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There is. Senator Leyden is a long-standing Member and he should co-operate. His time is up.

Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)
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It is vital that Senators and all elected representatives work together and the BIPA is the body that should discuss and negotiate issues relating to Brexit.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
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If the discussions at BIPA are anything like the comments the Senator has just made, they will not get far.

Aidan Davitt (Fianna Fail)
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I second the amendment regarding motion 6. Having come through town and county councils with Senator Murnane O'Connor, I am acutely aware of the distressing circumstances in which many councillors find themselves. This is a level headed motion, which will engage with the AILG and LAMA-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator will have the opportunity to make these points when the matter is dealt with.

Lorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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I second Senator Ardagh's amendment to the Order of Business to bring the Minister for Justice and Equality to the House in light of the shooting earlier in Lusk in my constituency.

David Norris (Independent)
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It is not the Senator's constituency. She is a Member of the Seanad.

Lorraine Clifford Lee (Fianna Fail)
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I live close by and the people of Lusk and the general area are concerned about the escalation in gun crime.

James Reilly (Fine Gael)
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I would like to mention the shooting in Lusk. I have been a GP in the town for 33 years and we have never had such an incident.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Order, please.

James Reilly (Fine Gael)
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I have been a GP there for 33 years and we have never had an incident such as this.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Quickly, please.

James Reilly (Fine Gael)
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It is an estate of very young families.

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
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It is very difficult to hear the Senator.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Yes, it is. Please, everyone, ciunas.

James Reilly (Fine Gael)
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The danger to them that is manifest by today's episode is one I hope the Tánaiste will address when she comes to the House later today to debate a Bill in which it is proposed to increase the powers of the CAB in seizing the assets of criminal gangs.

I also support Senator Ray Butler's call for the Minister of State, Deputy Michael Ring, to come to the House. There is donutting in places such as Balbriggan. The main street in Rush is full of derelict buildings.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Proceeds of Crime (Amendment) Bill 2016 is the next item on the agenda and the Senator will have the opportunity to discuss it then.

James Reilly (Fine Gael)
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I thank the Leas-Chathaoirligh.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I apologise to the following Senators who will be called first on the Order of Business tomorrow, Senators Martin Conway, Brian Ó Domhnaill, Ned O'Sullivan and Kieran O'Donnell.

Martin Conway (Fine Gael)
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There are only a couple-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I am sorry, but we have run out of time.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I thank the 26 Senators who spoke. We need to take a collective deep breath as Members of the Upper House. I know that we all still have the "L" plates. However, this is Parliament and we should all behave accordingly. If we need to look at how we do our business, let us do so, but the comments of Senator Rose Conway-Walsh came true today. I believe that on the Order of Business it should be a case of one item per person.

Three amendments have been proposed to the Order of Business. On the two motions on councillors' pay and conditions, I make the following genuine appeal. Despite what Senator David Norris may think, councillors form part of the electorate that elects Members of the House. Therefore, it is important, as their representatives, to represent and voice their views. I will accept Senator Diarmuid Wilson's-----

David Norris (Independent)
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I thought the Leader and his colleagues were elected by the people by delegated suffrage. I am glad to be told the truth.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I am happy to accept the proposal made by Senator Murnane O'Connor in that regard. However, as we have done with other elements of Government policy, if there is a serious willingness to acknowledge that the role of councillors, their terms and conditions, work rate and remit have changed, let us not play political games. Let us collectively form an all-party cross-party group, to include Independents of all views, including Senator David Norris, members of the Independent group formed from the Taoiseach's nominees, Senator Gerard P. Craughwell's group and the political parties. Let us do this and not play politics with the role of councillors. We hear about the role of local government and talk about the reform of local government. The most important people are those who work within it - the officials and public representatives. I am happy to work with everyone here, provided there is no political gamesmanship and no attempts to score political points to try to get votes. We want to bring about reform and improve the role, remuneration and conditions of councillors. Senator Denis Landy made a very good point the last day on the mental health issue, one we need to discuss. If we are serious about doing this, let us deal with it in a manner that befits this Chamber. I will be happy to take the amendment on board in the spirit of all Members of the House, if that is agreeable to Members opposite.

Martin Conway (Fine Gael)
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In particular, Members on this side.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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It applies particularly to Government Members. On the first or second day of this Seanad, Senator Paddy Burke had a motion on K class contributions.

Martin Conway (Fine Gael)
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There was a debate on the issue last December.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Order, please. The Leader to continue, without interruption.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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It is my intention to take the Bill on Seanad reform next week when there will be an opportunity to have this issue form part of that discussion. I know that the Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney, is working on the very serious issue of the terms and conditions and role of local authority members. He is putting a plan in place, with a package of measures. In fairness to him, he has had to deal with the issues of waste and water services and now has to deal with the housing strategy which we all agree is the most important issue in performing our role as public representatives. The Minister is working on it and is very serious about dealing with it. The proposal by Senator Ardagh in regard to the Minister for Justice and Equality is very important, not least because there is the loss of human life and the threat to human life. To hear this morning of another serious incident in which a person was critically injured concerns us all. The Minister was in the House this afternoon for the Commencement debate regarding the issue of Console, which was raised by Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell, and she will be in the House again later today to deal with legislation on the Criminal Assets Bureau and the proceeds of crime. I again make the point that the safety of residents, whether they are in north Dublin, south Dublin or in any other part of our country, is important.

The Minister will not come to the House on this issue today, for obvious reasons. I ask the Senator to withdraw her amendment to the Order of Business and I will work with her to ensure the Minister comes to the House to deal with the specific issue of gangland crime. It is an issue we need to address, as a country. However, let us put this in context. An additional €55 million is being given to the Garda this year-----

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Independent)
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Excuse me, I cannot hear the Leader speaking.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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We have also seen the Garda overtime budget increase to €90 million. It is this Government that re-opened Templemore, that has provided more resources to the Garda and that recruited more gardaí. I hope we recognise that it is not the case the Government is not doing anything; to be fair, it is doing much, as is the Minister for Justice and Equality, with the Garda Commissioner. We have seen the Garda special crime task force put in place, along with a dedicated armed support unit in the Dublin area. To say that nothing is happening is incorrect. Resources are being provided, legislation is being drafted and recruitment is under way. If the Senator will withdraw her amendment to the Order of Business, I will be happy to ensure the Minister comes to the House.

On the issue of water, I understand former Senator Joe O'Toole has announced his resignation to the Government as the chair of the independent body.

David Norris (Independent)
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It is a great pity.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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It is a pity he has had to resign. I have known former Senator O'Toole for a long time and it is a pity-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We cannot discuss personalities.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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In the context of the Order of Business, I am just making the point that new politics means one thing one day and something slightly different another day.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We will not discuss personalities.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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He is a very astute, good public servant who has done a lot of work for the State on many issues and in many roles. I understand he has resigned.

Senators Conway-Walsh, Kelleher and O'Reilly raised the issue of family carers. I agree with them that the implementation of the national strategy on carers needs to be a priority in the Department of Social Protection. I hope we will have the Minister for Social Protection in the House to discuss that in the coming weeks. The Minister has agreed to come to the House on social protection issues ahead of the budget. If we can do this next week, I will be happy to do it because the issue of carers is an important one that we need to see addressed. Carers do a huge amount of work that the State could never do. These are our own family members and friends in our own communities, so I fully concur with the Senators on that issue.

Senator Kelleher raised the issue of John's Lane hostel. I understand from the agencies involved that alternative accommodation has been provided. It is an important matter that should be addressed. I hope that will happen in the context of the housing and homelessness issue. I know the Minister is working on his strategy and intends to bring it forward before the summer recess.

Senator Humphreys raised the issue of the eighth amendment and the role of Cabinet responsibility. The Cabinet is not taking a position on the Bill. I agree with the Deputy that the eighth amendment is a very sensitive issue and one we need to see addressed. The Taoiseach has proposed a citizens' assembly. The Bill will be brought before the Oireachtas, I am told, before the summer recess, which will provide an opportunity to have the debate Deputy Humphreys has sought. To be fair, the Taoiseach has never misled the House on his opinions on this issue.I share his view that the citizens' assembly is the way forward in handling this issue because it allows for the space for people to have that discussion. Cabinet members have collective responsibility, and there is no halfway house about that. The problem we have, however, is that there is no Cabinet undertaking or collective decision on the Bill in question.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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On a point of order, the Leader-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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No, I will not entertain it.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I ask that the Taoiseach come in to answer-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator Humphreys is out of order.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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The last time we saw-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I must ask Senator Humphreys to resume his seat.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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The Leader's answer is not acceptable-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator is being deliberately disruptive.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I ask the Leader to ask the Taoiseach to come before the House to address us on Article 28 of the Constitution-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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That is not a point of order. Senator Humphreys is totally out of order.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I do not accept-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator should sit down.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I do not accept that I am out of order. I raised the issue of Article 28-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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A point of order is to clarify something, and the Senator is not doing that. He is being deliberately disruptive. I am telling the Senator to sit down and we will hear the Leader respond.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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The Leader has avoided the issue that I raised by misrepresenting it-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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I am not responsible for how the Leader handles matters raised. The Senator is out of order. I call on the Leader.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I am happy to reiterate to Senator Humphreys-----

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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Will the Leader ask the Taoiseach to come in?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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-----that the example I referred to earlier relating to the manner in which councillors' pay and conditions is handled applies to the eighth amendment and to sensitive social issues. On two occasions in this Chamber we were able to produce a report and a Bill and to have the issue addressed. The Attorney General, as I understand it, said - and I am not in Cabinet-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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We will not get into arguments about it now.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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-----that the Bill, as presented to the Lower House, is unconstitutional. My view is that if one is a member of Cabinet and a Bill is deemed unconstitutional, one should not proceed to vote for that Bill, on two bases-----

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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Will the Leader ask the Taoiseach to come in?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Please, no interruptions.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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First, one is putting a Bill forward that cannot be enacted and, second, one is giving false hope and playing politics with a very sensitive issue-----

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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Will the Leader ask the Taoiseach to come in?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator Humphreys, please.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I would be happy to ask the Taoiseach to come in but I will not play politics with it-----

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I do not play politics with Article 28-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator Humphreys is out of order. The Leader might address matters through the Chair, rather than looking across at Senators.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I will. I apologise; I am still learning.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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That is all right.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I have dealt with the issue raised by Senator Murnane O'Connor regarding councillors' pay.

Senators Butler, Paddy Burke and Reilly raised the very important issue of the role of our local towns, particularly concerning small and medium-sized enterprises and rates. I agree with the speakers, particularly Senator Paddy Burke, that there is a need for the Ministers for Agriculture, Food and the Marine and Finance - with the banks - to come up with a way of being able to get extra money and credit for those businesses that require that type of investment and flexibility around the issue of capital. The Minister will be here next week for statements on the summer economic statement, and I hope this issue can be part of that debate because it is a very important one.

Senator Hopkins raised the issue of the N5 in Roscommon. This is a very important issue - not least because it relates to public health and safety - and it comes under the remit of Transport Infrastructure Ireland and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport. I would be happy for the Minister to address it.

Senator Gavan raised the issue of poverty and Social Justice Ireland's report. The record shows that our country is moving forward in this regard. The previous Government, which included the Labour Party, increased the minimum wage twice. There are now more people back at work. There is more optimism in respect of our balance of pay and our GDP rate, which is the fastest growing in the European Union-----

Paul Gavan (Sinn Fein)
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Where did the extra 100,000 people in poverty come from?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I reiterate that the Minister for Social Protection will come before the House and that this matter can form part of the discussion with him. Let us have a balanced and fair discussion on it.

Senator Feighan raised the issue of the all-Ireland forum and Senator Leyden raised the issue of the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly today. The Taoiseach is right in that we need to have an all-Ireland forum, post-Brexit, to ensure that we, as an island nation, have a roadmap and a plan to protect our interests. Ireland is an island nation. We can work with the British-Irish Parliamentary Assembly, at which I spoke today, the Northern Assembly and the North-South Ministerial Council to ensure this. Senator Gallagher also raised the issue of Brexit and education. This is something we might consider again after the summer recess. Senator Lombard raised the issue of tourism, on which I would be happy to invite the Minister to the House to discuss.

Senator Colm Burke referred to Console and the impact of what has happened. In replying to Commencement matters, the Tánaiste addressed the enforcement of regulations under the Charities Act. I hope that we can debate this matter before the summer recess.

Senator Swanick discussed organ donations, an important issue which is close to my heart. I was Chairman of the Committee on Health and Children in the previous Dáil, which produced a fine report on organ donation. We must keep this issue to the forefront and change how people opt to donate organs. We can support the work of Professor Jim Egan and his staff. Professor Egan is a tremendous person and has done a significant amount of work, as has the former surgeon, Mr. David Hickey. I would be happy to work with Senator Swanick to pursue this issue in the House.

Senator Norris, I am not sure what you raised in your very fine contribution.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Look at the Chair, not Senator Norris.

David Norris (Independent)
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The War of Jenkins' Ear.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Senator, please.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I would be happy to talk to the Senator-----

David Norris (Independent)
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He asked me what I raised.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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He should not have.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Regarding the one point that I know Senator Norris raised, this is no mongrel government. I assure him of that.

Senator Mulherin referred to broadband. I would be happy for the Minister, Deputy Naughten, to attend the House to discuss that issue or for the Minister, Deputy Mitchell O'Connor, to discuss its importance for jobs. The House has had a sequence of statements on jobs and I hope to continue with those.

Senator Mac Lochlainn raised the issue of the Coroners (Amendment) Bill. He would receive no objection from this side of the House in that regard. I will ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine, Deputy Creed, to discuss CAP during the statements on farming.

Senator Noone raised the important issue of sugar and obesity. I hope that the Minister of State, Deputy Corcoran Kennedy, can attend the House on that matter. Several Senators mentioned Brexit.

I am happy to accept the amendment to the Order of Business regarding councillors' pay and conditions, assuming Senator Ardagh withdraws her motion.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Leader might sit down. Senator Ardagh has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That the Tánaiste address the House on the escalation in gun crime." In view of the Leader's comments, Senator Ardagh-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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In view of the Leader's comments, does Senator Ardagh wish to withdraw her amendment?

Catherine Ardagh (Fianna Fail)
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I will withdraw it on the basis that the Minister will attend the House today.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I cannot guarantee that, as the Minister will be present for two hours to deal with a particular issue, but I would be happy to try to arrange for the Minister to attend during this or next week.

Catherine Ardagh (Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Leader. That is perfect.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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May I apologise to the Leas-Chathaoirleach-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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No, the Senator is out of order. I am taking the proposed amendments.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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-----for being awkward earlier?

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator has already spoken.

Kevin Humphreys (Labour)
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I thank the Leader for inviting the Taoiseach to the House.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Senator had his opportunity. Now, quiet. Senator Murnane O'Connor has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That No. 11, non-Government motion 6 be taken today." What did the Leader say about this one?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I am happy to accept it.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is that agreed? Agreed.

Senator Craughwell has proposed an amendment to the Order of Business, "That No. 11, non-Government motion 2, be taken before No. 1." Is that agreed?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I am agreeable to that.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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The love that dare not speak its name has agreed to pursue-----

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Leader is accepting it.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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He is accepting it. That is great.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Hold on. I want to clarify. No. 2 is to be taken before No. 1. Is that agreed?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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I am happy for us to work collectively in the spirit of both motions. I was of the understanding that we had agreed a roadmap.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is the amendment agreed?

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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I will offer some clarity. I will withdraw my amendment on the understanding that the committee called for by my colleagues is set up and the first issue on its agenda is a timeline. I will not engage in a talking shop.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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That is a matter for the committee.

Gerard Craughwell (Independent)
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Absolutely.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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Is the Leader happy with the withdrawal of the amendment?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Agreed.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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When will the motion be taken?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Tuesday.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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The Leader has just agreed to take it today. Is it after the next item?

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Yes, after the next item. For the information of the House, we are agreeing to the amendment to the Order of Business on the basis that we can pursue that motion at a later time. It will not be taken today.

Paul Coghlan (Fine Gael)
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It has to be taken today. The Leader said it will be taken at the conclusion of No. 1, so the motion will be taken then.

Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael)
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Yes.