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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: These are all for-profit providers.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So how in total much did Tusla pay in 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Moving on to something else, Tusla is trying to open those nine units. I heard the word "trying". What are the impediments?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How long would that take?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is even after Tusla has done modifications and things like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Because it gives us a better idea, what amounts of money had they received for services before being excluded?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So there is not an impediment other than those kinds of things. I remember, for example, in a domestic violence refuge there was an issue with funding additional rooms and things. There is nothing like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Jack Power wrote an article in The Irish Times in July of last year stating that figures from May showed that Tusla was dealing with 22,740 open cases, some 5,800 of which had not been allocated social workers. Tusla is reconfiguring things. The witnesses do not need to go back over that because I understand it but how many unallocated cases has it got at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It has not changed dramatically.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Would the 5,800 last year have had somebody allocated to them?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the average caseload?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What would be regarded as the ideal?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We are above the ideal.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is Tusla funded to get to the ideal? What is it funded for?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are the multidisciplinary teams in addition to the HSE’s multidisciplinary teams?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Let me return to the family resource centre programme. There are 121 centres around the country and €21 million was spent on them in 2022. If there is not a family resource centre in-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. There is no centre in my constituency. Does that mean you do not get the services at all?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is the preventative piece. The preventative piece may require an investment but there is a big return on it-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: -----when you examine the cost–benefit outcome by comparison with the high-end investment required when failure happens.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We are asked every five years to fill out a census form. There was an exception during the Covid period, which pushed us back a year. I always encourage people to do so. We are told through an elaborate advertising campaign on each occasion that the forms need to be filled out so that services can be provided and demographic shifts and the like can be tracked, yet there is very little...

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