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Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Will it be released before Christmas?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I thank the Minister and I call Deputy O'Dea.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: It is not a particular subhead but if the Deputy has a general, but brief, question he can go ahead. .

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The Deputy will come back to the Minister himself.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: On that point can the Minister clarify the numbers please? The Department made a saving of €4 million. As Deputy O'Dea said 70 schools participated. There were delays in submitting applications. Some 71 were eligible to participate but have not availed of the programme, and 80 applications were received, where further information is required. Some €53 million is being...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: What are some of the other groups, other than DEIS schools, that are in receipt of the school meals?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: In total, how many schools does that come to?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: My apologies to Deputy O'Dea.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Could the Minister continue, please?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Deputy O'Dea is happy for the moment. I call Deputy Carey.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I have one or two further questions. The figures are not significant but I am curious as to what is going on behind them than the actual numbers. There is a grant of €841,000 for the Citizens Information Board, CIB, and a saving of €0.5 million on Abhaile due to the volume of vouchers not being redeemed as predicted. Can the Minister put that in context? How many vouchers...

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Can the Minister clarify if people were getting the vouchers and were not using them or were they not being given vouchers and told to use internal services?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: How many? Does the Minister know what that €0.5 million represents in numbers?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I know that.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: What I am trying to get at here with the Minister is how many vouchers were redeemed and how many were unredeemed? We do not know what the scope of it is.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: There is a similar trend on the MABS side.

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I thank the Minister. I have one final question. On a different subhead, subhead A2, administration - non-pay, there was a variation but it was off-set by higher expenditure on agency services of €3.55 million. What was the total expenditure on agency services? I could not exactly work it out easily. What was planned and budgeted and what was the extra €3.55 million?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Will the Minister provide a breakdown of what was included in the €128.5 million which was the planned amount? What were those agency services?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Are there any further questions? Would the Minister like to make any concluding remarks?

Select Committee on Social Protection: Estimates for Public Services 2019
Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection (Supplementary)
(28 Nov 2019)

John Curran: That concludes consideration of the Supplementary Estimate for Vote 37 - Employment Affairs and Social Protection for the year ended 31 December 2019. I thank the Minister and her officials for their attendance here today, and particularly the clear and effective manner in which the material was presented to us which makes it easy to work our way through it.

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