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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: I refer to timelines. On 7 March, Deloitte contacted CFO, Richard Collins, about an issue on 7 March; on 8 March, the former DG, Dee Forbes, was informed there is an issue; on 17 March, the commercial director, Geraldine O'Leary, was contacted by Deloitte; on 21 March, Deloitte met the audit and risk committee, ARC; and sometime in April, Grant Thornton began its assessment or scrutiny.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: My apologies. While all of this is ongoing and there was knowledge across the organisation of a serious discrepancy from an accounting perspective, the board went ahead with its recruitment and appointment of Kevin Bakhurst as the incoming DG. It announced it on 18 April, despite a serious audit issue hanging over the outgoing DG, Dee Forbes, and RTÉ's highest-paid presenter just...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Can Ms Anne O’Leary recall when exactly Grant Thornton began that audit in April?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Can the committee see those terms of reference? Can they be made available to us?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: RTÉ, the entity, issued a statement last week that long-term agreements, LTAs, are not in breach of competition law. Did the witnesses seek legal advice on this before they made that statement and can we see it if they did?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Those rebates, I understand, are passed on based on the volume of spend a particular advertiser might have with RTÉ. Have rebates been made to the Government or any State agencies as a result of the very significant spend we would have accrued, particularly during the pandemic?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: They are funnelled through the agencies.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: It is not a concern of yours, to be honest. That is the way you see it. You make the rebate available to the agency and from then on, it is the agency's responsibility.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Finally, I refer to Soho House, which is an interesting expenditure item on the list of many expenditure items. It is an exclusive private members’ club in London. I have no issue, and I am sure the licence payers of Galway East have no issue, with a credible return on investment. One can argue that every investment Ms O’Leary made in terms of attracting and retaining...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Is it RTÉ's intention to retain that membership on an ongoing basis?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: I understand, Ms O’Leary does not know. Can I ask perhaps Mr. Lynch or Mr. Collins if it is RTÉ’s intention to retain that membership and does it see value in retaining that membership? One can have meetings in a hotel boardroom without having to retain an ongoing annual membership of one of the most exclusive clubs in London city.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Okay.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: A question was asked earlier about whether or not RTÉ intends to establish a register of external interests and a register of participation in external events. RTÉ is, hopefully, about to undergo a process of forensic and deep reform. Tim Davie, when he was appointed director general of the BBC, which was going through similar but maybe not as difficult a challenge, said "Trust in...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: When auditors are doing an audit they will perhaps contact the chief financial officer or a department head if they come across a particular matter about which they are somewhat confused or mystified, in an attempt - one would think - to resolve it before it was escalated to anybody higher. Did Deloitte, prior to 17 March, when the audit chair was alerted, contact Mr. Collins or anybody in...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Mr. Collins's explanation, such as it is, for the €120,000 extra for Ryan Tubridy is that it was a "loyalty bonus". That was the phrase that was used. Was Mr. Collins involved in devising this bonus? Does he know, during the process of putting it in place, if Ryan Tubridy was actually aware that this was ongoing?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Mr. Lynch mentioned earlier in response to Senator Cassells that he was not aware of how the Tubridy pay deal was operationalised. What does Mr. Lynch mean by that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Why did Ms Ní Raghallaigh not think it appropriate to inform the public, when she had an opportunity on television last week, that she had sought the resignation of Dee Forbes?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: What are those concerns?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Perhaps for Mr.Lynch, the tripartite agreement, as it is now being described, was not signed by anyone at all, as far as I can gather from looking at the Grant Thornton audit report, until after the first payment was made. It was only signed by NKM in April 2023 after Grant Thornton was called in and as far as I can determine it was never signed by anyone at all in RTÉ. Is that the...

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