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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: You can Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Senator Moynihan, I am going to be lenient with you, timewise.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I asked about the increased number of presentations and Ms Hayes said there had been a slowdown in exits. The Dublin Region Homeless Executive opening statement suggests there was a 6% increase in the number of households who exited.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: In real terms, then, there has been an increase in presentations because we are preventing more and we are exiting more, yet the number continues to grow.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I am sorry but that does not make sense to me. The exits are increasing-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Ms Hayes mentioned the presentations and those who are presenting, such as that family reunification example. What proportion of the total number of 13,000 are such cases? I ask because if it is a family of ten and it is a reunification situation, I assume those people do not have a live social housing application. Do they?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: There would always be a portion of those in emergency accommodation who, I presume, do not have an application or do not yet have an application. The application could be pending.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Is that not even families, maybe individuals?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Myriad.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: -----or homeless housing assistance payment. In fact, they have no route out of the emergency accommodation at that point in time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I will give Senator Cummins a moment to take his place. I ask Mr. Kelly to return to the issue of the over-concentration in Dublin Central for a moment. I appreciate that local authorities are independent bodies, having been a member myself and fully respecting of their authority. It is really important that the Government at a national level does not interfere with the operation of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: If they do not have a housing application, they do not qualify for housing assistance payment-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: The sum of 504 and 573 is 1,077.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes, if they are in emergency accommodation in the last week of a month. However, people could present in emergency accommodation, exit and come back. This would be unusual but possible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I thank everyone for being here and for the work they do every day. We had representatives in from the Department and the DRHE earlier. We all know the solution is just an increased supply of permanent homes. The witnesses have all poignantly articulated the real human experience of homelessness. Homelessness itself is traumatic and challenging and can have lasting effects, but when...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: The other point we would make is that, and I know Senator Cummins will have raised this too, concerns the local authority investing in addressing vacant or derelict properties. Let us face it, there is underoccupancy. We all accept and recognise this is the case in the north inner city. If these properties were being turned into long-term homes as opposed to short-term, temporary emergency...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Mr. Guiney does not feel Dublin City Council is engaging on that yet.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I have a specific question about the tenant in situ scheme. We pioneered and started it in Dublin city and got it rolled out nationally. From Dublin Town's experience, how is it working? I refer to the people it represents rather than its members. The representatives from ALONE highlighted two primary reasons that people are becoming homeless and they are the same as others have outlined....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Okay, but the tenant in situ scheme works in a way whereby if a person is on the social housing list, the city council or local authority can purchase the property.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Update on Homelessness: Discussion (5 Mar 2024)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I would be really interested if ALONE could revert to us with data on that. I am interested specifically in whether it is something ALONE suggests because it is a relatively new innovation.

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