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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Well then it is based on the article that was read in 2020. It is still four years on. The reality is this: the chair of Tusla does not concur with what Ms Duggan is saying. They are not his public statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: They may, but it does not ever happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Chair, you have used up all my time. Sorry Ms Duggan.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: How many?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: From where?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Were they seconded there, or what?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Right. Were they administration staff?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: The biggest increase that I am seeing here is actually in the areas of management and administration.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: They are not actually front-line staff.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: On inspections, most of the people I have contact with who engage with Tusla have nothing good to say. I know of a school that has been contacting Tusla about children for three months without any engagement. The school, the grandparents and individuals within the public have made contact but there has been no engagement. Does that sound normal?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Does that sound like a response?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: It is not good enough, is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Despite that, it is frequent. There are foster carers who tell me that they have not had respite for years while fostering children who have profound needs related to autism. They also have not seen a social worker for years. Looking at parental supports, that is, prevention as opposed to cure, in her opening statement, Ms Duggan talked about the increased number of presentations Tusla is...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Do you-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: However, when I asked, Tusla had not even allocated a budget for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second. What-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: When I asked Ms Duggan a question about budgeting, she was not able to answer me.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: You did not understand it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: The question was submitted as a parliamentary question.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: I asked about "the level of funding due to be allocated over the next 12 months to agencies within the remit of his Department to support the prevention and early intervention benefits of parenting support". What did Ms Duggan not understand?

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