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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: -----and it is something that as legal issues continue-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: I will continue with Ms Cusack and her involvement in and around the exit package for Ms O'Keeffe. Was Ms Cusack aware at the time that there was a requirement for an 80% saving around any exit packages?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Ms Cusack was aware of that, yet the amount she signed off on was €450,000. Did it not scream alarm bells about how savings could possibly be achieved out of that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: That €450,000 is a significant amount. As head of HR, did Ms Cusack not think, "Hold on a second guys. Are we really going to meet our 80% savings from this?".

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: I do not think it was a case of not pushing back harder. There was a lack of basic due diligence you would expect from a director. Was Ms O'Keeffe's position filled internally or externally?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: When a position is filled externally, does that not again scream alarm bells that say, "Guys, it is €450,000. The position is not coming from within the organisation but from outside it. How the hell will we make our 80% saving?"

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: There should have been basic due diligence. I think it was very clear.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Does Ms Cusack think she is lucky to still be in the position she is in considering the lack of oversight and due diligence, and the fact she did not push back?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Not the 80%.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: It appears to me, and this is reminiscent of what we saw last summer, right throughout the sessions we have had, that the level of scapegoating of those who do not attend the sessions is extraordinary. It is through the roof. As I said, Ms O'Leary mentioned the fact that Mr. Coveney, Mr. Collins and the then director general, Ms Forbes, circumvented the whole process in signing off on Toy...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: I have very little time. I will refer back to 27 June, when Mr. Lynch, in his opening statement, said: There has been much speculation regarding the awareness or involvement of members of senior RTÉ management and others in ... these arrangements. The following sets out the position: No member of the RTÉ Executive Board, other than the Director General, had all the necessary...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: How many people have been dismissed?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: No one has been dismissed. Have any warnings been issued to any-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: In fairness, Ms O'Keeffe, who was thrown under the bus at one meeting, did come in and rectified her statements.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Do you have full confidence in Ms Cusack in terms of-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Coming back to Toy Show The Musical-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Apologies.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: I thought you mentioned that Mr. Collins gave you a projection.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Did you not say that Mr. Collins gave you a projection-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: No, I am sorry. I want to clarify what I was referring to. Ms O'Leary said Mr. Collins gave her a projection of €300,000-----

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