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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: Will Dr. NĂ­ Bhriain speak about the intergenerational impact of suicide?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I can see that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I am interested in the suicide piece as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I suppose it is the kinds of spiritual challenges that someone coming towards the end of life or with a life-limiting illness might experience. That is what I would like to tease out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: That is one of the points I wanted to draw out and Dr. Twomey has done that, which is not to equate spirituality necessarily with an institutional faith or an institutional belief-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: -----but that it clearly can transcend.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: They have to be given political direction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: They are here as civil servants.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: It is because they take direction from Government. I was going to say from their political masters, but I do not mean that. There is no direction on this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: It is also worth having this discussion. It is the point I made, following the contribution. Does Senator Ruane not think there would be a scandal if people who are set against-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: Can I finish the question? Does the Senator not think there would be public uproar among people who might-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I have not finished the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I will be happy to share a minute of mine with the Senator.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: The Senator did not allow me to finish the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: One of the downsides of committee meetings is there is no space for a point of information. I therefore say to my colleague, Senator Ruane, that she can take 30 seconds of my time. I am quite happy to share it. The point I was trying to make was that there could equally be uproar if some members of the public thought the Department of Health or the HSE were tearing ahead and breaking...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: Sure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: Okay. Truce. I have a couple of questions. Senator Mullen has said something I am not sure about. I will have to reflect on it. He said that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and that suicide and assisted suicide are part of the same conversation. Yet, the evidence we have heard is that, in some cases, assisted suicide is a permanent solution to a permanent...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: I have a question I want to ask.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: System for Assisted Dying and Alternative Policies: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Feb 2024)

John Lahart: That is one of the points I want to make. We have heard evidence from Dr. Twomey, who is the national clinical lead for palliative care. There are clearly opposite views in Australia, New Zealand and Canada, where they face the same challenges but come up with different answers. It is important to put that on the record, too. I want to ask a question that has not been asked before in...

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