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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Yes. Funding supports to help people.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We will get back to the person-centred staff. In her opening statement Ms Downes referred to "well-being". I do not like words like "well-being" because they are not scientific enough for me. Looking at Caranua's spend, there is a section on the sample of services provided in health supports. With regard to evaluating who Caranua is getting, for example counselling is the first item that...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: So then we come to massage therapy. Was there someone who may not have had not the loudest voice who perhaps needed home nursing, immunisation or something else that was essential? Were people getting money for massages when others were not getting money for a wheelchair, for example? How can we be spending money? I am aware there is value to massage but it is hard to quantify. There are...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: No. I am not finished. How do we evaluate the cost benefit of these? I am not saying there is no benefit but I would hate to see somebody not getting dental treatment because somebody else got a massage. How does Caranua balance that?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Okay, so the prescription or recommendation for massage had to come-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: From a doctor. From who else would Caranua take direction?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Not a consultant from Mazars obviously, it would be a medical consultant.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are all of the witnesses happy that this is a good use of the fund, which is everybody's money? Do the witnesses think it is good value? Are they all comfortable with that fund being spent on items such as massage, acupuncture, chiropractic, osteopathy and reflexology? We will not fall out over acupuncture because there is some evidence, but in terms of outcomes for spend the evidence for...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The problem is that, for a pharmacist for example, we try to not base things on feelings, it is more on-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am uncomfortable with the list as spent. Was a medical card provided at some point to people who were survivors?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Okay. I thought that may have happened in the past. I have a query for the representatives from the Department of Education and Skills. There was an interdepartmental committee set up a year ago. Is it the plan to take over from Caranua when it is wound down or has the Department nothing to do with it? Will they run in parallel? What is the plan there?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is that after Caranua is gone, or now?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: What exactly is the remit of the interdepartmental committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The Department must talk to Caranua a lot.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Does Ms Conduit expect the interdepartmental committee to take over the role of Caranua when it is wound down? What does the interdepartmental committee anticipate will happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: The interdepartmental committee spoke to survivors over the summer. As it does not have access to the data, how did it contact people?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Are the witnesses happy that that model of gathering information gives them a comprehensive view? Does the word of mouth approach help in gathering real information?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am sure though that it is not a one-size-fits-all model. There is such a broad range of people, age groups and complexities.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Kate O'Connell: On engagement with survivors, the interdepartmental committee spoke to groups during the summer. Is there any intention to continue this connection with survivor groups, as has just been described, into the future to inform the work of the interdepartmental committee?

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