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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: If you had 100,000 people working in RTÉ, you cannot break the law. You cannot ask for something that simply cannot be given.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Because I thought it was pertinent, it was information that I now had.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I think that was what I was saying in the interview, that it had now come to my attention that it was incorrect information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It remained my hope that she would. I would find it an incredible situation if a chair would not come in to a meeting. I had sent the letter at least two hours earlier and had not received a refusal to it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The same that I will speak to the board on this week, that the focus is absolutely on moving forward, putting RTÉ and public service media on a sure footing, on making sure the reforms are implemented. With any new chair, the only issue for me is that I must be in possession of all facts at all times.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The board is continuing to meet and has decided on a rotating chair until we put a chair in place. That is my absolute priority now. It is not correct to say there is not a functioning board.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The board is continuing to meet and I am going to meet with the board this week.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Obviously the board made a decision to continue meeting and I will meet them on Monday. My concern and focus is on getting the future funding model absolutely on a sure footing for RTÉ. On the issues the Senator is raising now regarding productions, I was not aware it had just been frozen in the last few days, that these decisions were made just in the last four or five days.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I thought you were saying it was just on foot of the chair stepping down.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Obviously that is why my focus has been on those expert advisory committees, getting the recommendations and moving. I think what the sector actually needs to put them on a sure footing is that future funding model, that certainty. Also, once we have the expert advisory committees, the first tranche of the €40 million will be released.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That matter is ongoing with the Department of Social Protection and it is not for me to interfere in that. I hope that all staff are treated properly, equally and fairly and I have always said that. In relation to the broader picture, it is my hope that we can reach a decision on the funding model as soon as possible.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We will have to establish what that figure is. That is unknown. As I said, the Department of Social Protection is continuing the scoping investigation into that classification and potential reclassification. Even RTÉ does not know the final figure yet because the Department of Social Protection is still making its-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I have a timeline here. There was a call with the assistant secretary at 10 a.m. I was asked already to release this, and we are happy to do so if needed. The chair rang the assistant secretary at approximately 10 a.m. to say that she had inadvertently given me incorrect information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: She said that she made an error and gave me incorrect information in the meetings that week, which were on Monday and Wednesday. She told me about the incorrect information; she said she had forgotten that she had actually did approve that package.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The assistant secretary thanked her for the clarification and said she would report back and let me know. Then she came back and said that to me. I was in Leinster House, and I think it was an hour later that I came back from Leinster House. I do not remember the exact time.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Obviously, there was a conversation between those of us who had been in the meetings on the Monday and the Wednesday. I was quite taken aback, because the line of questioning had been quite detailed, especially on the Wednesday morning, as I have said. I had received the cover letter that was-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes. Then, I made the decision. I said that I would have to write to the chair about this because it is a significant error. The assistant secretary then rang the former chair at approximately 2 p.m. to advise her that I had been concerned about the incorrect information, that I had gone out in public to clarify the record for her and that I would write to state that-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: At that stage, she had just said that the Minister would write to a letter to state that she is disappointed. I feel like I am speaking in the third person about myself, and I do not mean to do that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I would write a letter to say that I was disappointed. I indicated that a letter was coming. The chair said that she regretted the error. She then stated that she believed she phoned the former Secretary General last October to say that the independent process had concluded and that he would be leaving the organisation. In that phone call she said - this is the language she used - that...

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