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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: That is amazing.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: He sat in the room and listened to that inaccurate information being given to the Minister. He knowingly sat there, and let that misinformation be given to the Minister. Either that, or nobody knows what is going on in RTÉ whatsoever.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: That is an amazing admission. Why bother summoning him at all? Was he there to make the tea? That is amazing, and it is not consistent to say that you have confidence in him and no confidence in the chair because your relationship was with the chair. He is actually running the ship. He is the paid executive on hundreds of thousands of euro, appointed to run the ship, and you say that you...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: That is amazing. Either they should both be gone or they should both be in their jobs. Was this personal against the chair because you felt that she had misled you too many times, and this was the end of the road?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: I cannot believe that you can differentiate between two people sitting in the room who were complicit in the same misinformation being given to you but you can have confidence in one, and no confidence in the other. That does not tally whatsoever.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: The Minister said that she has not received any formal correspondence relating to the role of the board in the exit package but the Business Post detailed on Sunday that her three senior officials, Catherine Licken, Tríona Quill and Stephen Ryan, were informed at the Committee of Public Accounts on 12 October with regard to the terms of reference on the board's remuneration. Did nobody...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: In respect of-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: I am sorry, Chair. On the report that Siún Ó Raghallaigh called Ms Licken on 10 October and told her that there had been an agreement with Richard Collins, you said Ms Licken has no recollection of being told that the package was "approved". That does not mean it did not happen. Just because she said she has no recollection does not mean it did not happen. Has the Minister...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: Ms Licken's recollection is still that she has no memory of being told that it was agreed.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: I again welcome all the witnesses. I thank Mr. Bakhurst and Ms Ní Raghallaigh for their statements, the contrition offered in those statements here today as well, and for what they are saying in terms of going forward. Their words are a bit like the White Star Line apologising for the sinking of the Titanic, because neither of them were at the helm when the musical fiasco hit the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: There was a series of questions. Mr. Lynch and Mr. Coveney were here as witnesses and there was a series of questions in respect of Toy Show The Musical. It was already quite evident that it was going to be a financial disaster. As an executive board member, why did Mr. Lynch not interject and offer his thoughts in respect of that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: My recollection of that particular day is that not only was there no contrition from Mr. Lynch or Mr. Coveney about this multimillion euro disaster, but they were, in fact, bullish. They were bullish to the point of actually looking at all of us on the committee and saying: "You guys, in the previous autumn, had actually encouraged musicals. Sure we were only doing what you were asking us...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: Okay, that is fine.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: Mr. Lynch has said that, if asked, he would have interjected. He sat there as a person who, as an executive board member, had knowledge. He was aware of the issues pertaining to the show. As a senior executive board member, why did he not interject and offer that knowledge to the committee as the debate was evolving?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: Not only were the board members left in the dark, Mr. Lynch is telling me that he, as a senior executive member, was, in effect, in the dark as well.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: We will get to the audit and risk committee in a second. I am going back to January last year when Mr. Lynch definitely did know this goose was cooked. The day of that meeting, I met him and Mr. Coveney on the stairs before heading down to these rooms. Mr. Coveney made a joke about "going easy on us today". What strategy had Mr. Lynch and Mr. Coveney worked out going down those stairs,...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: It was a broad discussion on the future of public funding of public broadcasting.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: You knew it was going to coming up.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: Was there was no discussion prior to that meeting about what you would say or not say if it came up?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Shane Cassells: After that meeting, did you discuss the issue with Mr. Coveney to say it was going to be a problem for you later down the road?

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