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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: I will now turn to the very staunch defence by Mr. O'Driscoll of statements that were made to the committee some six weeks ago. I will not speak for other members but I found what I heard at that meeting quite shocking. I come from a farming background and that is why some of the material I have heard is hard to fathom or take in. Let us go back to the start. How many people are in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: Have those eight people changed much over the years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: What about before the change?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: Let us consider those eight people. Mr. O'Driscoll made the point that a good deal of memory has been built up and it is a historical thing. One of the issues we have heard about is to the effect that this group is out of control, that it is a small group of people who work among themselves, that they are answerable to no one and that they are left on their own to do their own business....

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: There would be a major difference between an inspector coming onto a farm in a case of land eligibility issues as opposed to a person from the SIU.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: It is completely different.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: With land eligibility, the issue is mapping or something like that. If members of the SIU arrive at the door of the farmer, they are basically suggesting they think the farmer is up to something he should not be up to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: How does that start?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: In that case, did the SIU arrive out on the basis of that result straightaway or was there a step in between that we have not heard about?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: I stand to be corrected, but none of the cases we sent on had to do with angel dust.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: The examples we submitted had nothing to do with angel dust.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: As I said, I come from a farming background. After a TB test, the vet returns after four days. The animal may have a high reading and the lumps are there. My experience of this a number of years ago was the vet said there was a problem and within a couple of days somebody came to destroy the animal. The story we got in some of these cases was this procedure was not followed and there was...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: Not all farmers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: I know. Even outside the case, and I do not want to get into individual cases if I can help it, the point I am trying to make is when there is obviously a body of evidence building up and the Department makes a decision, it must be 100% certain it has it right.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: How come many of the cases we had were thrown out of court?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: Maybe they make up the 10%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: They then got struck out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: Were they not thrown out on appeal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: While we are on this case, the most disturbing part of the story we heard was the issue of the destruction of the pigs, and that the bolt gun was used at the start but it stopped working and we were informed a Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine official handed the farmer a lump hammer and told him to finish the job. Did that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

Paul Connaughton: How come there is a video of it then?

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