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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Given Mr. Gloster's contribution here, that is a breathtaking assessment by the company. Surely the flow of other products is managed, so the question arises as to why the contract in question was different from that for other products whose draw-down is stock managed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: My question was on how the procedure differed from that for bed sheets, towels and toilet rolls.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: So, there could be up to 132,000 sensors never received.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: To return to the accountability issue, I understand why, in the rush to innovate in response to Covid, that could happen, but surely in the accounts department there is no difference between one payment and another. I cannot understand why this particular invoice was not subjected to the same checks as others. What department or section of the HSE continued to make the payments without...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We are going into our second round. I will give speakers five minutes. Deputy Dolan is next.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I thank Deputy Dolan. Next is Deputy Neville.

Written Answers — Department of Finance: Tax Code (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 196. To ask the Minister for Finance his plans to amend the deemed disposal rule; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [56147/25]

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I will take up that point later. I want to take the opportunity to touch on two issues which are relevant in my own constituency. After an appearance at the disability committee, Mr. Gloster very kindly came to visit An Saol, a rehabilitation service in my constituency for people who have very significant and profound acquired brain injuries. The proposal is to build a new home for An Saol...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Mr. Gloster might stay in touch with me on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Ms Long might be able to assist me with the other big capital project in my area, which is Finglas primary care centre, something that has taken a number of years. We had to do a significant number of land swaps with the ETB, with local schools and with Dublin City Council. If she is not able to provide me with an update here, she might be able to update me as to where things stand with the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes. Obviously, at that point it has to move to construction and so on. I want to return to the point Mr. Gloster made earlier about the section 38 and section 39 entities. This is actually one of the first occasions that I have heard the HSE articulate it in that way in terms of the level of control or influence that we have or do not have over acute hospitals and many other bodies....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: On what basis was that made? Obviously, it was done for a whole host of other reasons but on what legal basis is it allowed for that to be done for CHI? Is that being examined for other section 38 or 39 entities?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Side letters attaching to new SLAs were not mentioned earlier but they touch on the same point. We have seen how side letters have got other organisations into difficulty. How does the HSE permit them to exist? Are they effectively disregarded and the agreement itself is taken as the legal document?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Of course, yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Side letters form part of the correspondence as opposed to being a legal-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We have about ten more minutes left. If members want to have short interactions of a minute or two, they should come in at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The last question is from Deputy Neville. Make it a ceist bheag, Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I was going to say, I thank all the officials for being with us today and especially Mr. Gloster, but of course we are assuming we will not have reason to invite the HSE again before Mr Gloster's departure, and the public accounts committee would never give an Accounting Officer that kind of guarantee. I do want to say, because anyone watching you for the first time today, Mr. Gloster, might...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The clerk will seek to follow up on any information and carry out the actions. Is that agreed? Agreed. The committee is adjourned until 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, 23 October when we will meet the Department of Justice, Home Affairs and Migration regarding its 2024 accounts.

Written Answers — Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport: Departmental Data (21 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 256. To ask the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport the status of the CIÉ pension agreement (details supplied); and if he is aware of the concerns [56928/25]

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