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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It is a slightly different question I am asking. Maybe I am not asking it correctly. What is the ongoing work between Tusla and the international protection service to ensure that the former's resources are not being wasted, essentially? Obviously, it has to deal with the case one on one, and I fully understand that, but surely there must be a point at which it reviews the procedure and...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Are there international examples of other countries dealing with that problem?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Are those tests available to Tusla?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Is that because Tusla is not an immigration agency?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Ms Duggan believe they should be?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: In those scenarios a temporary arrangement might be put in place out of an abundance of caution-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes. I suppose the fear with that would be the checks would take too long and the responsibility would weigh on Tusla-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Deputy Dolan made a very good comparison earlier between the foster care system and the cost of private accommodation. Has Tusla done a review about the cost effectiveness of those two models? Would an increase in the foster care payment provide overall value for money?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What does that look like? What does that ongoing review look like?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Can I clarify that? The reason a child is placed in a residential environment is not because of a shortage of foster care parents.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is a useful clarification. On the other side of the residential care placements is the special emergency arrangements. I note Tusla's point that some children may do better. Part of that is that they have a much more intensive intervention. Am I right in saying the staff member stays with the person and there is more one-on-one contact than there might be in a residential environment?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Can Ms Duggan clarify that figure? It is €750,000 a year for-----?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That is a quarter of a million per child.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Apologies. Three quarters of a million euro per child for special emergency arrangements.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: It is an extraordinary amount of money. I take the point about foster caring not being driven by financial incentives - I fully accept that, knowing foster parents - but surely there is some model between what a foster parent gets and three quarters of a million euro in an environment that is not incredibly dissimilar to a home though it is not a residential care placement, particularly when...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: My final question is how many children does Tusla have under special emergency arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: They are coming in at a figure of over €30 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Tusla - the Child and Family Agency (2 Oct 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: We have approximately 30 children -----

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