Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The House has agreed that, for the duration of the Covid-19 emergency only, the rapporteur's report of the Order of Business shall not be read out but shall be taken as read. Arising from it, there are three proposals to put to the House. Is the proposal for dealing with today's business agreed to?

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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It is not agreed. The PUP recipients losing their income on the basis of travelling is extremely serious. Not only does it appear to have no sound legal basis, it is also blatantly discriminatory. When Mr. Billy Kelleher MEP of Fianna Fáil openly broke the travel guidelines there was no impact on his income. We know that the rules were changed to facilitate tax exiles, maintaining their status during the pandemic. There is also the example of high earners who are recipients of substantial tax benefits under the special assignee relief programme, SARP. They do not lose any of those if they travel and break the guidelines. It is only those on PUP.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a debate on the matter.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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Certainly. The point is that we have a motion on the Order Paper which would annul the statutory instrument and end this blatant discrimination. We believe the Dáil must debate and vote on it today.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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As I said earlier to the Taoiseach, it is clear that this is blatant discrimination against one section of the population. It is a policy that would penalise them uniquely, not others, for travelling overseas even though the Government's advice is just advice, and confused and ambiguous advice. It is important that the statutory instrument in question is rescinded. There is a motion on the Order Paper and it is imperative that it, or another motion brought forward by the Government, is taken. This situation cannot continue. It is essential that every citizen is treated equally before the law. At a time when the claim that we are all in this together is repeatedly made, people who are out of their jobs because the Government closed the economy down need to know that they will be treated respectfully and equally. That is currently not the case.

Thomas Pringle (Donegal, Independent)
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On the same issue, there is a need to have a debate on rescinding this discriminatory order on the Statute Book. It is incumbent on us to treat everybody who leaves the State with respect regardless of who the person is. This is discriminatory and must be rescinded as a matter of urgency.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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I ask the Taoiseach to address the question.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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There is a law before the House.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, there can only be one spokesperson per party.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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To be helpful to the Taoiseach-----

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No, you are not the leader of Sinn Féin.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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Do the right thing and annul it.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Resume your seat please. The Deputies have made a proposal and the Taoiseach is not accepting it. I will put the question.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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3 o’clock

Is the proposal for Wednesday's business agreed to? Agreed. Is the proposal for Thursday's business agreed to? Agreed.

On questions on promised legislation, 34 Deputies have indicated. We have limited time remaining. I call Deputy McDonald.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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I wish to record our disappointment at the fact that Government parties have voted to maintain a discriminatory system which penalises people on the Covid payment. That is a disgraceful action, particularly given the public backlash over the €16,000 pay increase for three super junior Ministers. I understand the Taoiseach has been publicly shamed into stepping back from that position and the three super junior Ministers will now receive a pay increase of €10,000 each. Can the Taoiseach confirm that?

Can I also ask about the 10% pay cut that has been announced for Government?

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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No. The Deputy can only ask one question.

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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Is it true that the Taoiseach's salary, notwithstanding this cut, will be €1,500 higher than that of his predecessor, Deputy Varadkar?

Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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In relation to the Government's decisions on ministerial pay, I note what the Taoiseach has just said but we need clarity as regards actual decisions. In relation to the ministerial pay cut, is this a cut or a waiver? The Taoiseach stated he is "gifting back". That means his pension will be the full amount. Correct me if I am wrong. It will not be the reduced amount. Second, when was the Government decision made to give the Minister, Deputy Coveney, two Garda drivers and a Garda car worth €200,000? In 2011, a decision was made that that would only be for the Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and Minister for Justice and Equality. When was the Government decision recorded for that change, as well as for an aide-de-camp for the Tánaiste, which is bloody well ridiculous?

When were those decisions made? Is it a waiver or a cut? When was the Government decision for the Garda car and drivers and the aides-de-camp made? The decision in 2011 still stands otherwise.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy can ask one question on one matter.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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In that scenario, because I have checked it up through parliamentary questions, the way in which ------

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Kelly's time is up.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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The way in which this decision was recorded is not reflected properly.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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No, that is not what I am saying.

Alan Kelly (Tipperary, Labour)
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The Taoiseach's pension is not affected.

Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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The same as Deputy Kelly's.

Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats)
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Can the Taoiseach tell us what is the legal basis on which social welfare inspectors and gardaí are operating checkpoints at Dublin Airport for the purpose of identifying social welfare recipients and child benefit recipients in order to cut their payments? Can he tell us the precise legal powers under which they are taking this action? There is a power to stop people if there are reasonable grounds to believe they are engaged in fraud or whatever, but in the absence of knowledge of the people being stopped in these instances - their names and identities - it is hard to know what are the reasonable grounds for doing so. What exactly are the legal powers that are being used for operating these checkpoints?

Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats)
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What are those powers?

Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats)
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That is a different situation.

Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats)
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There is a reasonable ground for it.

Paul Murphy (Dublin South West, RISE)
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Yesterday, the reports were that members of the Government were taking a 10% pay cut, but it later emerged that it is not a pay cut at all and, in fact, the Taoiseach will be more highly paid than his predecessor, Ministers will be more highly paid than their predecessors and junior Ministers will be more highly paid than their predecessors. If the Government was a shop which advertised a 10% off sale but it turned out the prices were actually higher than they were a month ago, it would be in breach of the consumer protection legislation. It is an utter joke. The Taoiseach is falling over himself to try to cover up and escape from the public outrage over what happened last week but he cannot even do that right. The same applies to the €16,000 increase, and the junior Ministers will still be getting over €10,000 each. Does the Taoiseach agree it is time for the sky-high pay for Ministers, the Tánaiste and himself to end?

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We are way over time.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask Deputy Paul Murphy to contain himself. We are over time.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am calling Deputy Lowry to ask his question.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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That is scandalous. The Taoiseach has made a serious statement. If true, it would amount to illegality. He is doing so because he cannot defend the situation where, on the one hand, he is cutting payments for PUP recipients who are travelling abroad while, at the same time, standing over and defending the payments to himself and the super junior Ministers.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is out of order.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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He made an allegation about the funding of my constituency office.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Deputy is out of order. I am asking him to please resume his seat.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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I am asking the Ceann Comhairle to protect me in this Chamber, as a Member of this House representing the people of Donegal. The Taoiseach has made a serious allegation in regard to the funding of my constituency office, suggesting it is funded through illegal sources---

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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He did say it. He said it was funded from America. It would be illegal in this jurisdiction to fund the operation in that way.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I ask Deputy Doherty to resume his seat. Does the Taoiseach wish to clarify this matter?

Mary Lou McDonald (Dublin Central, Sinn Fein)
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That is incorrect.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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That is a scurrilous allegation.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I have called Deputy Lowry.

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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The Taoiseach is making a scurrilous statement because he cannot stand up and defend the indefensible. He and his colleagues in government just voted to stop payments to people in receipt of the PUP who travel outside the country.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have a debate on that issue.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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There is no point. I ask the Taoiseach to resume his seat and to please wait a second. If Deputy Doherty is unhappy with what the Taoiseach has said, he should write a letter of complaint and the matter will be dealt with. What is the Taoiseach's point of order?

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Thank you, a Thaoisigh. I have called Deputy Lowry.

Michael Lowry (Tipperary, Independent)
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When does the Government intend to review the rule regarding the numbers permitted to attend sporting events? The current restriction on numbers is neither logical nor justified. As an example, Semple Stadium in Thurles has a capacity of 48,000 and it is ridiculous that only 200 people, including players and officials, are permitted to attend a game there. This blanket approach is causing multiple problems for parent bodies, clubs and general members. The rules need to be relaxed and I suggest it would be common sense to allow the numbers permitted to be determined by the size of the venue.

Thomas Gould (Cork North Central, Sinn Fein)
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On the same issue, I wrote to the Minister last week asking that advice be sought from the National Public Health Emergency Team, NPHET, as to whether it is possible to increase the number of people attending matches.

A figure of 200 was given out but that figure is incorrect because 40 people are needed for each team, which is 80, and the venue staff, including stewards, referees, media and first aid providers take up another 40, so there are only 80 tickets left between two clubs, which is only 40 each. Páirc Uí Chaoimh has a capacity of 45,000 seats but there are only 80 people inside it. I want to follow the medical advice and if this is what is advised I will accept it, but it does not make sense to me or others given that we have stadiums like Croke Park, Semple Stadium in Thurles and Páirc Uí Chaoimh, which can hold between 40,000 and 80,000 people. Croke Park can hold 80,000 people and can only have 80 spectators in it. I would like the Minister to review the medical advice on this matter.

Jackie Cahill (Tipperary, Fianna Fail)
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There has to be recognition of open-air events and the square metre capacity that is available in these areas. They are not confined spaces. People are out in the open, so this limit makes no sense. We had club matches in my county last weekend and the vast majority of people who wanted to go were not able to attend. It must be recognised that these are open-air events and the capacity limits that are in place at the moment do not make sense.

Peter Fitzpatrick (Louth, Independent)
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I come from a Border area in Dundalk, and last weekend more than 500 people could attend GAA matches just 2 miles or 3 miles across the Border. The Taoiseach is a big sports fan, as am I, and sport does a great deal for mental health issues and everything else. I am also chairman of the Louth county board. Last weekend we had to be strict, with only 30 players and 60 spectators. It is the wrong thing to do at the moment. There are 41 clubs in County Louth, and each of them could take 5,000 or 6,000 people with no problems whatsoever. Yet we are only allowed take 200 people in. There are many voluntary organisations putting stewards and everything else together and they are well organised. Nothing is going to happen. The most important thing is the safety of players and spectators. That is the number one issue. Will the Taoiseach please increase the number of people allowed at these events as soon as possible, to help the people of Ireland?

Paul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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Following on from other Deputies, I also ask the Taoiseach to look into this matter. This is a huge issue for many GAA clubs which have over 1,000 members but can only give their supporters 40 tickets. I ask the Taoiseach to approach NPHET about this. I acknowledge that we need to have the correct medical advice and people right across the country recognise that as well. However, I ask him to speak to NPHET and the acting Chief Medical Officer, CMO, to bring some clarity to this issue. Most club games are currently being played in larger stadiums, parks or county grounds, which can accommodate up to 16,000 supporters.

Mattie McGrath (Tipperary, Independent)
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Today, hundreds of bus and coach owners are in Dublin with their buses, at enormous expense to themselves, because they have been shut down and closed off. I completely support the remarks made by Deputies on the previous topic but people will not have buses or coaches to travel to matches if we do not support this very valuable industry. These buses carry all the tourists here and carry people to concerts. Many bus operators in each county carry people shopping to different towns and they also provide a huge service to the schools. There is also a cohort of them that get no payment at all if they do not have a contract with Bus Éireann. We need specific supports and grant aid for these very important, logistical people movers around our country. When the country opens up again, we need them to bring in our tourists and keep industries, towns and entertainment going. They are a very important cohort of people. They are here today and are hardly able to put diesel in their buses. The drivers are probably voluntary because they are all out of work and they do not foresee the wheels turning any time soon. They have huge expenses with insurance and everything else and they need supports.

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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I too support the coach operators from all around the country who have had to come to Dublin today, though many of them were not able to come. Many large, medium and smaller coach operators in the county I represent have their backs to the wall. They have been hit by insurance costs and they have yards full of buses. The unusual thing is that the bigger the company is the more affected it is, because those massive buses cost an awful lot of money. Every one of them is out on hire purchase or on loan and the operators are in a bad way. We have excellent people in Kerry, including Kerry Coaches, O'Callaghan Coaches and Deros Coach Tours. We have the finest bus operators in Ireland in County Kerry and I am pleading desperately with the Taoiseach to take those people's concerns on board today.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Does Deputy Martin Browne also wish to speak on this matter?

Martin Browne (Tipperary, Sinn Fein)
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No.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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Well then he will have to wait.

Martin Browne (Tipperary, Sinn Fein)
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A Cheann Comhairle-----

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I am coming to everyone. I ask the Deputy to please resume his seat. I call Deputy Tóibín.

Peadar Tóibín (Meath West, Aontú)
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I lend my voice to the rake of tour bus operators around the country whose overheads have not reduced, but whose income has been radically reduced. Tour guide operators, which are not bus operators themselves, are also suffering massively. They are saying that loans are not enough and that they need grants to get them through the situation they are in.

Matt Carthy (Cavan-Monaghan, Sinn Fein)
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In March, I wrote to the then Ministers for Business, Enterprise and Innovation and Transport, Tourism and Sport, and the then Taoiseach as bus operators in my county of Monaghan raised with me the huge concerns that were likely to arise as a result of the restrictions. At that point, it was very clear that bespoke solutions would be required to support bus operators. Those bespoke solutions have yet to materialise and I appeal to the Taoiseach to ensure these companies, which are often vital components of rural economies and are vital to ensuring any form of connectivity in counties like my own, are supported. I ask the Taoiseach to sit down with the relevant Ministers and ensure a bespoke financial support scheme is put in place for bus and coach operators.

Pa Daly (Kerry, Sinn Fein)
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I also met a delegation of bus and coach operators last Saturday. It is unfair, in their situation, that bus operators in the Six Counties pay a 0% vat rate. While some other tourist facilities have been able to get some business this year, the coach and bus operators in tourist areas have been devastated and have literally no income coming in. I ask the Taoiseach to consider increasing the €10 million that has been allocated to them in order that they will be able to pay their fixed costs for the year.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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A number of Deputies are offering so I ask everyone to please be brief. I call Deputy O'Rourke.

Darren O'Rourke (Meath East, Sinn Fein)
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I support the comments of previous speakers. The commitment to public transport is fundamental to the programme for Government and private operators play a key role in scheduled services, tourism, tours and school transport. It is an important issue. These providers are honest, decent, hard workers and they deserve the full support of the State.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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I ask the Taoiseach to pay particular attention to those who provide school transport. They were left blowing in the wind for months and the Taoiseach is now asking them to step up and support the initiative he announced in recent days. I particularly draw his attention to the plight of bus and coach operators in that sector, especially in rural counties like Donegal who fill significant gaps in the absence of public transport. It is urgent now that he puts in place a package that really gets them back on the road.

Carol Nolan (Laois-Offaly, Independent)
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I fully support the urgent need for the bus and coach sector to receive grants. This is another sector that is coming under attack. I raised this issue with the former Minister, Shane Ross. I was disappointed that no representatives from this sector were on the tourism task force, which made no sense. We need urgent grants but we also need a harmonisation of the VAT rates because competitors in the Six Counties are at an advantage. Our operators in this part of the island are losing out and I would like that addressed.

Imelda Munster (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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The urgency and need for supports was flagged well in advance of the Government’s July stimulus package. It has had ample time to deal with this and most of the operators feel that what the Government has come out with has completely ignored them. Will the Taoiseach outline exactly what he proposes, given the dire financial situation they are in? The financial situation of the school transport operators who expect to be up and running to bring schoolchildren back in September will never be the same again with social distancing on school buses. Can the Taoiseach outline specifically what meaningful measures of support he has in mind for those people?

Pearse Doherty (Donegal, Sinn Fein)
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This is a significant issue of concern as the Taoiseach is hearing now from Deputies. In the past 24 hours I have spoken two private coach operator providers in my own county of Donegal. There is great anxiety there because they were hoping that there would be some type of rescue plan for them in the July stimulus package. It has not materialised. These are the same companies that have been hit hard as a result of the mortgage payment breaks because they are being penalised with interest being accrued during that period. They cannot refinance their loans through the new credit guarantee unless they take out additional lending, which is not what they need. They need support from the State to make sure that they will be able to go back on the road when the tourism season picks up or when there is a demand for their services again.

Noel Grealish (Galway West, Independent)
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On the same issue but with regard to a different group of people, I ask the Taoiseach to support the chauffeur industry. These are a group that have felt forgotten about throughout this pandemic. They are often the first and last point of contact of overseas visitors to Ireland. They collect tourists from the airports, and chauffeur them to hotels, restaurants, festivals and tourism locations across Ireland. Last week, they organised a drive-to-survive from Killarney to Donegal and from there to Dublin via Galway. They mostly drive new, state-of-the-art vehicles on which they have hefty loans and now find themselves with no bookings, a situation which is likely to continue well into 2022. Can the Taoiseach request the relevant Minister to meet with a delegation from the sector to discuss their specific concerns for the future of their industry and the Government supports that they may be able to avail of? Can these packages be available to the July stimulus Bill to help this sector, which has been decimated by the pandemic?

Danny Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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I also support the plight of the coach operators, both the tour and school bus operators. One group of people that have been forgotten is the drivers of these coaches. They got no coronavirus payment because they were seasonal workers, especially the tour bus operators. If the lockdown had not happened until 1 April, all of them would have been working but they have all been forgotten. Their stamps are gone and they have nothing to look forward to this winter. I appeal to the Taoiseach to ensure that those drivers get the coronavirus payment of €350 because they are well entitled to it.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call the Taoiseach to speak now to wrap up this matter, please.

Danny Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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They got no payment.

Danny Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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What about the drivers? Who will look after them?

Danny Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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They are not working yet.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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I call on Deputy Healy-Rae not to interrupt.

Danny Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
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That is because they are not working.

Seán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Ceann Comhairle)
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That concludes Questions on Promised Legislation. Some 16 Deputies have not been reached and will be given priority tomorrow. We are way over time at this point.