Dáil debates

Tuesday, 30 May 2017

3:55 pm

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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7. To ask the Taoiseach the position regarding the group being formed to reform Seanad Éireann. [24017/17]

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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8. To ask the Taoiseach the status of the implementation group on Seanad reform. [24639/17]

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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9. To ask the Taoiseach if he will report on the establishment of an implementation group on Seanad reform. [25620/17]

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I met with Mr. Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator for Brexit in Government Buildings on 11 May. I was accompanied by the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Minister for Finance-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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On a point of order, we are on Question No. 7.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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We are Questions Nos. 7 to 9 about the Seanad.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I am sorry. I am jumping the gun. Gabh mo leithscéal. A major mistake.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is not the first time the Taoiseach forgot about Seanad reform.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Go easy on me now. I propose to take Questions Nos. 7 to 9, inclusive, together.

In the Programme for a Partnership Government, the Government stated its intention to reform Seanad Éireann and committed to pursuing implementation of the report of the working group on Seanad reform, the Manning Report. That report was published in 2015 and is available on the Department's website. One of the recommendations of the report was the establishment of an implementation group to oversee implementation of the reforms contained in the report.

As I said previously, I agreed with a suggestion made here some time ago by Deputy Micheál Martin that this group should be based in the Oireachtas and should comprise members of the Dáil and Seanad from all parties and groups, with access to independent expert advice as required. I wrote to party leaders in September last year seeking their agreement to this approach and their intention to participate. Contacts are still continuing with parties to finalise nominations with a view to having the group up and running as soon as possible.

Photo of Joan BurtonJoan Burton (Dublin West, Labour)
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Would I be right in suspecting that of all things, the Taoiseach will forget most quickly and with the least amount of regret the different questions about Seanad Éireann? I know that Mr. Maurice Manning chaired of the implementation group. The group carried out a very detailed report and everything like that. Now we apparently have an implementation plan. From a human point of view, I think we all understand the Taoiseach's reluctance. I am sure that whoever his successor is will go at the Seanad with great gusto. In the meantime, could the Taoiseach possibly update us on where matters stand at this point in time? Is there anything else that he would like to see Seanad Éireann do now that it is available as part of the democratic process, notwithstanding the fact that the Taoiseach once had some ideas to the contrary?

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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As the Taoiseach has said, it is almost ten months since he wrote to the party leaders on the make-up of the implementation group. He also went on to say, if I got it right, that contact continues with the party leaders about the chair. That is news to me and, by the response of the other leaders in the House, it must be news to them as well. Therefore, it is two years since the Manning report on Seanad reform was published. The Taoiseach has not even agreed who the chair of the implementation group will be. At the time, we welcomed the Government's commitment to the Manning recommendations. It was also about the right to vote in Seanad elections for citizens in the North and the diaspora. That reflects, as the Taoiseach knows, the views of the Constitutional Convention of September 2013. However, like other issues, this is a mark of the paralysis of this Government. Before the Taoiseach leaves office, perhaps he could appoint someone to chair the implementation group on Seanad reform.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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In a bout of complete honesty, perhaps the Taoiseach will admit that nothing has happened with this set of proposals and nothing is intended to happen with them. I would like to ask a few very direct questions. Is it the fixed Government position that the Manning proposals are the blueprint for what should happen into the future? If the answer to that question is "Yes", why has no action been taken to begin the process of implementation? Will there be any changes in the structure of the Seanad or in the electoral process to elect the next Seanad before the next general election?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is fair to say that the Seanad reform issue has been extraordinary and somewhat of a debacle. I wrote back on 2 December with our three nominees. Yet, we received a reply last week saying that there was still ongoing contact with the parties on the nominees for this implementation group.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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To see if the nominees were still alive.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Which political party has not sent in its names? Could the Taoiseach identify who has not responded to his request? We wrote back on 2 December with three names. Has the Fine Gael party finalised its nominees? There has been a kind of silence for the last couple of months. I note from previous meetings that we had during the last Government that the Taoiseach was, to be fair, decidedly unenthusiastic about the whole project. I heard recently that the former Senator, Mr. Maurice Manning, is a good cordial friend of the Taoiseach's and has had the occasional pint with the Taoiseach. He never mentioned anything to do with politics when he had the odd pint with the Taoiseach, but one would have thought that the old matter of the implementation of the Manning report might have surfaced as one pint turned to two or maybe even three. I thought it might have been slipped in at some stage. In a serious vein, we are all committed to it. We have compromised. Our position was for a stronger mass electorate, but we accepted the Manning compromise. It can be facilitated through legislation. Everyone in the House wants it to happen. As one of the Taoiseach's final acts before he hands on to his successor, perhaps he might get it up and running and get it formed.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I admit that I am guilty of not having put this together. We had questions in the House on 22 February. At that time I said that there was a dispute over who would chair the group. I think Deputy Martin had one nominee and I had another. Let me renew my activities to see if we can get a chair and get it set up. I would like to do that.

Deputy Howlin asked me when the next election is going to be and whether anything will happen before then. I am not sure when that is going to happen actually.

Photo of Brendan HowlinBrendan Howlin (Wexford, Labour)
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Has the Taoiseach no insight?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Simon should have been-----

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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There is a confidence and supply agreement and all the rest of it. Politics has a peculiar way of moving things along. I would not like to hazard a guess on it, but hopefully it will be a long time away for those who are continuing on in Government. I will try to sort this in the next couple of days.