Dáil debates

Wednesday, 25 November 2015

11:50 am

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Slowly but surely, the Department of Education and Skills and the National Council for Special Education are retreating from special education in mainstream schools, and they are consistently undermining it by developing wrong models. Special education is under-resourced at the moment and it is not prioritised by the Government. I have met with the parents of children with special needs, with the principals of special schools and with principals of mainstream schools that cater comprehensively in their own ways for children with special needs. The National Educational Psychological Service is grossly under-resourced and needs more psychologists. Every school is limited in the number of psychological assessments it can get per year. For example, a school whose representatives I met yesterday is limited to three assessments a year. It needs 20 on average per year and it is told it can only have three. That is the case across the system. The wait for occupational therapists for children in special education is about two years. For speech and language therapy, it is over a year. There is no ongoing intervention for children on the autistic spectrum in special classes providing for autism in mainstream schools.

The new general allocation model that is being proposed is causing enormous concern to principals and teachers and will shock many parents. Essentially, the whole concept of a resource teacher for children with special needs will disappear. They want a general allocation model now in the interest of administrative simplicity, and that is what will happen. They are saying there will be no more need for professional diagnosis and they think this is a good thing.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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A question, please.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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At the moment parents are waiting because adequate resources are not being put into the assessment and diagnosis of children with special needs from an early age. The new proposal is for schools to take in the children and avail of a general allocation, whereby they can intervene even without a professional diagnosis. It is also shoving everything back to the parent, because the parent will be able to appeal to the board of management of the school and so on. What research has gone into this? What research underpins this new general allocation model? I ask the Taoiseach to ensure that the Government does not proceed with this model and that it instead start resourcing the existing system far better than it has. Will he agree to increase the number of psychologists available to the National Educational Psychological Service so that they can get involved much more readily and effectively with schools in assessing children from the get-go?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We are spending €1.4 billion in this area in general. We have more resource teachers and SNAs than ever before. This is a priority for parents and for the Minister for Education and Skills. I do not accept that children should not have access to a professional assessment. Clearly, if there is a problem with a child, it is critical that he or she has access to professional assessment to see what the nature of that challenge might be. Perhaps the general allocation model of which Deputy Martin speaks is an issue that is worthy of a discussion, in so far as the increased availability of professional assessment and increased funding are concerned.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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That is another discussion.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I accept that there delays in respect of speech and language therapy and in psychological assessment, but I would not accept at all any model under which children do not have access to professional assessments. Surely nobody knows a child better than his or her parent, and if there is a difficulty it is very important to determine what that is. There is a €1.4 billion spend, and I would be happy to facilitate a discussion about the general allocation model that Deputy Martin referred to.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I find the Taoiseach's response extraordinary because nobody seems to know what is going on in the Government. The Taoiseach is saying he cannot understand the idea of a child not needing a professional diagnosis.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do not accept it.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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It is what the Minister is proposing. This is the document. There was a meeting of 500 people recently in UCC being briefed by the National Council for Special Education, and it is saying that one of the benefits of the new system is that parents will not have to wait for a professional diagnosis any more. The idea is that there is an educational intervention without any professional diagnosis of the child. That is what the Minister is proposing, and the best the Taoiseach can say is that we will have a discussion.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Read it out until I hear it.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Sorry?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Read it out until I hear it.

Photo of Seán Ó FearghaílSeán Ó Fearghaíl (Kildare South, Fianna Fail)
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Have you not read it yourself?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I will not have time in a minute to read it all out. It is a presentation entitled "Delivery for Students with Special Educational Needs: A Better and More Equitable Way," from the Irish Learning Support Association annual conference.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Read out the section where it says-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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This is the Minister's document. Here it says-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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We cannot have documents being displayed in the Chamber.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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"No waiting for diagnosis; No unnecessary labelling".

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Martin knows the rules as well as I do. This is Leaders' Questions. We are over time. Please put the question.

Photo of Bobby AylwardBobby Aylward (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach asked him to read it out.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach asked him to read it out because he does not know his own document.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Paudie CoffeyPaudie Coffey (Waterford, Fine Gael)
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Go easy, Mattie.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I happen to be in the Chair.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Please put your question.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will you stay quiet?

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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If one looks at last year's circular on special needs assistants and at this, one can see a fundamental retreat from special education in mainstream schools. That is what it amounts to. It is talking about standardised tests, social context and the whole idea of a special ring-fenced-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will you put your question? We are over time.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----and child-centred approach to special education is going out the window. The phrase "unnecessary labelling" is insulting to parents. One does actually need a definition-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Put your question.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----if one is on the autistic spectrum. That is not an unnecessary label. One does need to know that. A parent needs to know where the child is on a particular spectrum. If one has Down's syndrome, it is not an unnecessary label. It has implications in terms of education requirements and provision. The whole thing is stealthily endeavouring to undermine the edifice that has been built up over the last 15 years and certainly needs ongoing review and change, but not this kind of stuff. That is totally removed from people working at the coalface. There is a lot more I could say about it, but what really frightens me is the Taoiseach's detachment and disconnection-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is Question Time.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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-----from what his own Government is proposing in relation to these issues. I ask him to change it and to stop it.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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Paddy needs to know. The Taoiseach needs to know.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would Deputy McGrath ever stay quiet and keep his mouth shut?

12:00 pm

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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This is Deputy Martin's usual spiel every week. For the Deputy's information, in case he did not realise it, this Government was the first to appoint a senior Minister for children. This Government was the first to set up a Department of children. This Government was the only Government to hold a referendum of the people giving children their rights as citizens.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Government's actions jeopardised the outcome. The legislation to give that effect is still going through the Dáil.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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This Government has children as a central priority of its focus.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach is misleading the House.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy stay quiet?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do not accept it, from Deputy Martin or from anybody else. I do not accept it - I do not care what model the Deputy is reading from - that professional assessment of children is not necessary to determine what their particular challenge is.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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It is the Government's model.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Will the Deputy stay quite, please?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The focus has to be on meeting the needs of the child.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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But this is not doing that. This is going in the opposite direction. It is a general allocation model. The child's needs are becoming irrelevant.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin can twist the words any way he likes. I do not accept Deputy Martin's weekly rant about detachment.

Photo of Paudie CoffeyPaudie Coffey (Waterford, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Martin was there for 15 years and he did nothing only prevent divorce.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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I did, actually. I did an awful lot.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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This Government made children the focus of political responsibility, with their own Department, their own senior Minister and their own funding, and what is involved here is to determine what are the needs of each individual child.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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No, it is the opposite.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do not accept from Deputy Martin, or from anybody else, that a child who has a problem should not have a professional assessment of what that challenge is.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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That is what this document says.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I do not know about the document. I call Deputy Adams.

Photo of Robert TroyRobert Troy (Longford-Westmeath, Fianna Fail)
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Neither does the Taoiseach.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Making a mess of the big issues of Government has become the Taoiseach's speciality.

Photo of Noel HarringtonNoel Harrington (Cork South West, Fine Gael)
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The economy.

Photo of Dessie EllisDessie Ellis (Dublin North West, Sinn Fein)
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They made a mess of that.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would the Deputy please keep his mouth closed for five minutes?

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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I often wonder to myself and cogitate why this is so. The First Interim Report of the Commission of Investigation into Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, IBRC, from Mr. Justice Brian Cregan makes it clear that their commission's terms of reference, prepared on the Taoiseach's watch and signed off by him, are an absolute and utter shambles. This has been a hallmark of his Government. Look at the calamity in the accident and emergency departments which has become so severe that the INMO and nurses in emergency departments have been forced into industrial action. Look at the utter chaos of 5,000 women, men and children living in emergency accommodation. These scandals are not only because of the incompetence of the Government, although undoubtedly that is a fact. It is not only because of the Taoiseach's reliance on half-actions and spin. Let us be straight about this. It is because the Government is against a universal health service, it is because it is against the State making provision of social and affordable housing and it is because it is against holding the golden circles to account. That is why the Taoiseach made a mess of the commission of investigation's terms of reference and dismissed Sinn Féin's amendments and suggestions. That is why the Taoiseach blocked and stonewalled any effort to bring transparency to the actions and transactions undertaken by the IBRC-----

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Adams can block anything he likes.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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-----and billions of taxpayers' money was written off or found its way into the deep pockets of the elite. This is money that could have been invested in social housing. This is money that could have been invested in the health services.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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A question, please.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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However, as I said, the Taoiseach and the Government have no real interest in shining a light on the IBRC transactions. We got a letter-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputy Adams is over time.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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-----from the Taoiseach, in which he asked the Opposition parties for their views on new terms of reference and which I responded to last evening. Will the Taoiseach now accept responsibility for this mess, will he publish the terms of reference that were brought forward by the Attorney General and approved by the Taoiseach, and will he at least belatedly try and unravel a mess which is entirely of his own making?

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Another cock-up.

Photo of Bernard DurkanBernard Durkan (Kildare North, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Finian McGrath should know.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies should not be smart.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Adams has circled all the issues today. It is not his usual specific attack.

He mentioned that the Government has failed to deal with the big issues-----

Photo of Patrick O'DonovanPatrick O'Donovan (Limerick, Fine Gael)
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Like the economy.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----such as fixing the economic mess that we inherited, putting our people back to work, and the situation where the rate of unemployment has gone from 15.2% to 8.9% and is heading downwards.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We had a situation where this crowd locked us out from all the markets and the interest rates where 15%, and now they are less than 2%.

(Interruptions).

A Deputy:

Take the rod out of teaching-----

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will not ask Deputy Mattie McGrath again. He will be out that door as fast as he can go, I promise him.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan's, intention, on behalf of the Government, is to have the deficit wiped out by 2018. The national debt is falling rapidly towards European norms and by the way, for the information of Deputy Adams, 130,000 jobs have been created in the private sector. These are the big issues that Deputy Adams says the Government has failed on.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach answer the question?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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However, we are not happy.

A Deputy:

Will Deputy Adams ask it?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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The Taoiseach is well able to answer for himself.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We are not happy because what we want to do is to secure that recovery for all the people and have a strong economy for the benefit of the people.

Photo of Tom HayesTom Hayes (Tipperary South, Fine Gael)
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We did not follow Greece.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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More big tax cuts for the fat cats.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Deputy Adams mentions golden circles and-----

A Deputy:

Corporate tax policy.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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First, Deputy Adams has responded to the letter that I sent him and I thank him for responding to me.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach act on it?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The common objective of everybody in this House of all parties and none is to have a situation where the intention of what the Government did when it set up the commission of investigation under Mr. Justice Cregan, to have a transparent, comprehensive and fully-accountable report in respect of all of the transactions in regard to which a write-off of over €10 million was involved, is achieved. That is the intention of Government, Deputy Adams and everybody else.

I thank Deputy Adams for his letter but I make this point to him. When we put through a decision here to have a commission of investigation, neither Deputy Adams nor anybody else raised the questions that the judge has pointed out in his interim report.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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We did not see the Attorney General's advice. That is why.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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The Attorney General cock-up on the Taoiseach's watch.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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That is why I sent it to Deputy Adams at an early date.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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These are legal issues, not terms of reference.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Would Deputy Martin hold on?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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That is why I sent it to the Deputy as soon as I could. That is why I sent it to the other leaders of the different groupings.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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We were only consulted on the terms of reference.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I asked them for their written response because it is in everybody's interest.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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This is Deputy Adams's question.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I have got Deputy Adams's. I have not got Fianna Fáil's. Whether they have a view or not, I do not know. Deputy Catherine Murphy's is on the way and I thank her.

(Interruptions).

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Government will receive those responses in writing from the Deputies. We will consider those responses and we will have a report at Government next week as to how best we should proceed to deal with the issues that Mr. Justice Cregan has raised in his interim report.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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They are 15 months at it now.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Let me repeat that it is the intention of Government to have a fully transparent, accountable and comprehensive report-----

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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The Taoiseach has to bury this as long as he can.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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-----in everybody's interests on the Siteserv issue. The judge has pointed out what he considers are difficulties and problems. We want to deal with those in the most transparent and most accountable way possible.

I thank Deputy Adams for his letter. Deputy Catherine Murphy's is on the way. I will await Deputy Martin's response.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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The reason the Taoiseach makes a mess of matters is characterised by his response. He refused to answer the questions. We tabled amendments to his terms of reference and the Taoiseach voted them down. We ended up voting against the Taoiseach's terms of reference because they were inadequate. Since 2012, Deputies Catherine Murphy, Pearse Doherty and I have raised questions about Siteserv. It has been three years. The Minister, Deputy Noonan, and the Taoiseach blocked it, prevaricated, sent obtuse opaque answers and refused to deal with the issues involved.

I repeat the questions. Will the Taoiseach publish the Attorney General's advice? Will he commit to dealing with this issue before Christmas?

One of the big omissions in the commission's terms of reference relates to the lack of clarity surrounding the definition of a capital loss. We have this ridiculous situation where the capital loss is defined by the liquidators of the IBRC. They define what Mr. Justice Cregan could look at and the judge acknowledges that there are upwards of 156 transactions where losses on loans in excess of €10 million were recorded by IBRC during the relevant period but are not included in the schedule of transactions because the special liquidators defined it otherwise. This equates to at least €1.5 billion of taxpayers' money which could have been used to build homes or to fix the health services, and these are not even going to be investigated by the commission. The Taoiseach thanked me for my letter. Will he act on the recommendations?

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I will thank Deputy Adams, if he adheres to the Chair. He is over time.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Okay, fair enough.

Will the Taoiseach correct these glaring omissions? Will he commit to giving an assurance that all the necessary changes to legislation and to the commission of investigation into the IBRC's terms of reference will be put in place by Christmas, and will he commit to facilitating extended or additional sitting days of the Dáil and Seanad to do that as opposed to kicking it beyond the election?

12:10 pm

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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A commission of investigation, once approved by the Oireachtas, becomes the responsibility of the sole member appointed to conduct it.

Photo of Peter MathewsPeter Mathews (Dublin South, Independent)
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They are approved by the Chief Whip. That is all.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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They do so in an entirely independent manner. In this case, Mr. Justice Cregan has done considerable work, identified what he considers to be obstacles, difficulties and challenges and written his interim report, which I have forwarded to Members. My letter to Deputy Adams and the other party leaders was to ask their views of the action that should be taken to deal with the issues pointed out by the sole member.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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It is the same as it was in 2012.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I do so in the interests of everybody, in that the Government wants a situation in which Siteserv and the others are part of the commission of investigation in a fully accountable, transparent and comprehensive fashion. Mr. Justice Cregan has taken a line individually, objectively and independently in respect of confidentiality, privacy and other issues he has pointed out. We need to respond to it in a way that makes it work effectively.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach respond to my questions?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I am responding. Mr. Justice Cregan pointed out that if he is left to deal with it alone, it could take eight years. Does the Deputy want this or can we have a much more effective and swifter response? The Government will respond next week, taking into account the views of the Deputy and the other party leaders. I would like whatever structure is established to deal with it to be put in place as soon as possible, and if it is necessary to have the support of the House for extra time, it can be considered. I thank the Deputy for his letter and I will consider the points he made. I have a duty to do so. The Government will respond collectively when we receive the written responses of the other leaders.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Will the Taoiseach publish the Attorney General's advice?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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No, I will not.

Photo of Gerry AdamsGerry Adams (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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Why not?

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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He is protecting her again.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Mr. Justice Cregan, in his complete independence, has sent his interim report and has pointed out what he considers are the challenges.

Photo of Micheál MartinMicheál Martin (Cork South Central, Fianna Fail)
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Did the Attorney General point them out to the Taoiseach?

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We need to find a way of dealing with it as a response from the Oireachtas.

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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There is a major disparity between the pace of development and job growth in Dublin, other centres along the east coast and other large urban areas vis-à-visthat in rural Ireland. This was illustrated in a parliamentary question reply I received from the Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, Deputy Bruton, yesterday, in which he said, of the total foreign direct investment, FDI, companies located in Ireland, 50%, totalling 596 companies, are located in the greater Dublin region. The east coast has seen a significant recovery and growth, with annual employment growth of approximately 5%. In the other urban areas around the country, there is employment growth of approximately 2%. Unfortunately, in the rest of rural Ireland, employment growth is practically nil.

The Minister stated that Cork has 146 IDA Ireland client companies, Galway has 63, and Limerick has 48. In my county, Kerry, there is an industrial wasteland and we are down to a meagre 12 IDA Ireland companies, while Deputy Michael Fitzmaurice's county, Roscommon, has eight companies, Tipperary has 11 and Monaghan has six. In a plethora of counties one can count the FDI companies on one hand. I refer to IDA Ireland investment being carried into the rest of rural Ireland. Some 1,090 IDA Ireland visits took place between 2013 and 2015, of which 561 were directly to Dublin. In contrast to my county, Kerry, our neighbouring county, Cork, had 83 visits. My peripheral county, Kerry, is an industrial wasteland and this reflects what is happening in the rest of rural Ireland. It is very late in the time of the Government to ensure there is an economic balance. Will the Taoiseach correct the imbalance, set out to do so immediately, and put the plan in place in the lifetime of the Government? Will he take the focus off the major urban areas and give an equal opportunity to rural Ireland, which has been decimated?

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I thank the Deputy for his comments and question, which is well thought out. Deputy Griffin raised the same matter in a Topical Issue a couple of weeks ago. As a representative of a very large tract of rural Ireland, the Deputy knows that when one ploughs a field, seeds it and rolls it, one has to let it grow.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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One has to till it first.

Photo of Paul KehoePaul Kehoe (Wexford, Fine Gael)
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It is a one-pass system.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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It is the same with trying to get an economy moving, coming from the depths of where we were to a point where we can see real improvement. I agree that many places in provincial Ireland have not seen the return to growth we would like. In Kerry, there has been a drop in the live register of 34% since the regional action plan was introduced. The Minister, Deputy Bruton, introduced a national Action Plan for Jobs focused on FDI, developing small and medium enterprises with Enterprise Ireland and changing the structure of the local enterprise offices, LEOs, in every county council.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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It did not focus on Kerry.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We followed this with introducing regional action plans which are focused on both the strengths and weaknesses of each area, including the Deputy's. Hospitality, the Wild Atlantic Way, broadband development, road infrastructure, water infrastructure and wastewater treatment are all opportunities to make areas more attractive for investment.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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We do not have broadband either.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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Although not every crossroads will have FDI, there is no reason that small and medium enterprises cannot follow through with the LEOs on establishing businesses, recruiting people more easily and having access to credit that was never there before. Two indigenous Kerry companies have gone global, namely, the Kerry Group, which has established another investment in Kildare which is an international magnet for the best companies in the world, and Dairymaster, which has gone beyond the county bounds. They have become international global companies, and this is where we need to grow.

Regional development is a specific priority of the Minister, Deputy Bruton. The regional action plans which have been launched and developed for each region are focused on it. In the Deputy's area in the south west, infrastructural developments need to be put in place, and this is part of the capital programme with the new Garda stations, 300 schools and other improvements.

Photo of Michael Healy-RaeMichael Healy-Rae (Kerry South, Independent)
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The Government closed down the Garda stations.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Deputies Healy-Rae and Mattie McGrath are like Tom and Jerry. When one goes quiet, the other starts.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The improvements of all these facilities are very important. While the Deputy's question is well meant, employment is growing in his area and the live register numbers have fallen because of new jobs being created.

Photo of Noel GrealishNoel Grealish (Galway West, Independent)
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It is because of emigration.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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We want it to continue into the future.

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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We are all very optimistic that economic growth will continue. However, we are still faced with the reality that, as of the beginning of November, 203,000 people are jobless. The Taoiseach mentioned my county, Kerry, where we are fortunate to have a buoyant tourism industry. However, it is seasonal. We are very hopeful that the Wild Atlantic Way will contribute and will add very much to the tourism product, which I am sure it will. We need to stretch out the shoulder ends of the year to gain the major benefits we can reap from it.

12:20 pm

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Can we have your question now?

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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We still have to face the whole matter here. It is very much mirrored in the Kerry situation as well. Some 55% of those who are unemployed are long-term unemployed. That is a very frightening figure, to be honest about it.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Come on, Deputy, put your supplementary question.

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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The rate of long-term unemployment increased from 1.5% in 2005 to 6.7% in 2014. The current rate is the highest in Europe. It is 1.6% above the EU average.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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Sorry, Deputy, you are not listening to me. Would you put your supplementary question? You are over time.

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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I will conclude by making the point that the longer people stay on the unemployed register, the harder it is for them to get back into the workforce. We need to address the matter of rural renewal to get a bit of life back into our villages and towns. We should incentivise small-time employers by giving every possible support to them. We need to take a serious look at the rates situation.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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Hear, hear.

Photo of Tom FlemingTom Fleming (Kerry South, Independent)
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The exorbitant rates in this country are putting people out of business. We certainly have to implement the budget measures.

Photo of Seán BarrettSeán Barrett (Dún Laoghaire, Ceann Comhairle)
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I think you have done a good tour of the whole economy.

Photo of Mattie McGrathMattie McGrath (Tipperary South, Independent)
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The Wild Atlantic Way.

Photo of Finian McGrathFinian McGrath (Dublin North Central, Independent)
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He has done a tour of south Kerry.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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I remind Deputy Fleming that the level of unemployment has fallen from 15.2% to 8.9%. People said a few years ago that this was impossible. The number of people who are long-term unemployed has decreased by 46%, from over 204,000 when the action plan was launched in 2012 to 109,800 today. One sixth of the 136,000 new jobs that have been created throughout the country, or 22,000 jobs, have been created by IDA Ireland. The remaining five sixths of new jobs have been created in small and medium-sized indigenous enterprises. That is what we need to focus on in the future.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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Some 56% of them are in Dublin.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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The Minister has changed the structure so that anybody with an idea can walk into his or her local enterprise office and get all the advice and information he or she needs to set up a company.

Photo of Dara CallearyDara Calleary (Mayo, Fianna Fail)
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The local enterprise offices have no money.

Photo of Enda KennyEnda Kenny (Mayo, Fine Gael)
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People get advice on how to employ people and access credit so that they can promote their ideas for manufacture or for export. We need to ensure companies throughout the country have no fear. They should not be afraid to go beyond the bounds of their own localities. Many companies are proving that they are well able to sell competitively on the international market the software or manufactured goods they produce. Deputy Fleming's county has invested serious money in quality hospitality enterprises over the last 40 years. I think the development of the new Wild Atlantic Way concept is paying dividends throughout counties Kerry and Cork and will continue to do so for many years to come. The action plan, which focused on Deputy Fleming's own area and on other individual areas throughout the country, was based on their strengths and weaknesses. It looked at what could be done in counties Louth, Wexford, Donegal, Monaghan and Laois and the other relevant areas. Plans were drawn up in consultation with the agencies in each region so that the individual matters could be worked through. As I have said, the live register figures speak for themselves.