Dáil debates

Wednesday, 28 November 2012

Topical Issue Debate

Departmental Properties

3:10 pm

Photo of Kevin HumphreysKevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
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I thank the Minister of State for taking this matter. I know he has been quite active on the issue of the College Green site. We need to institute a process to examine and encourage the potential of a building swap between the Bank of Ireland on College Green and the Central Bank offices on Dame Street. I, along with many Dubliners, believe College Green has the potential to become one of our finest public spaces. It was previously known as Hoggen Green and is thought to be the site of the burial grounds of the Viking kings of Dublin. We all remember the US presidential addresses by both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama at the green, which highlight the potential of how this space can be used. College Green is flanked by our oldest university and its classic buildings run into Dame Street. The building now occupied by Bank of Ireland was our first Parliament. It was the world's first purpose-built two-chamber parliament, the foundation stone for which was laid in 1729. The Irish Parliament sat there until the Act of Union. After that, it served as a military garrison and an art gallery before eventually being bought by the Bank of Ireland.

It is time this building was returned to public use as a social dividend from the bank bailout. It is a known visitor spot for thousands of tourists from both home and abroad. The Bank of Ireland uses it as its principal bank branch. While negotiations on a transfer of ownership in the past were not successful, we do have a 15% stake in the bank now, which means we have a little bit of muscle in pursuing this swap. The decision by the Central Bank to move to the Docklands will allow the swap to happen. Sam Stephenson's modernistic building design on Dame Street would probably be much more suited to Bank of Ireland while the old parliament building is returned to State use. I hope the stakeholders - the Minister for Finance, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Dublin City Council and the Central Bank - will ensure this transfer occurs.

The former parliament is an ideal building to house the central Dublin lending library currently located in the Ilac Centre. It would provide an excellent performance space for theatre and musical groups, as well as having the potential to house a future regional assembly for Dublin following local government reform. It is pointless to use the building as a bank when it was designed as a parliament. Will the Minister redouble his efforts to consider the potential of this transfer? This landmark site has also held outdoor concerts on New Year's Eve, which shows the fantastic potential this area has. Transferring the building to public use would be seen by the citizens of Dublin as a social dividend from the bank bailout and would enhance the city from an environmental and tourism perspective.

Photo of Shane McEnteeShane McEntee (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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While I convinced several American visitors to stay in Meath for several days rather than in Dublin, when they eventually visited the city, they were impressed by its magnificent buildings. People from both home and abroad are always impressed by Dublin's magnificent and historic buildings.

The Central Bank's principal offices are contained in the famous building designed by Stephenson and Gibney in Dame Street, Dublin. This very distinctive and assertive building, which was controversial when it was built in the late 1970s, was specially designed bespoke accommodation for Central Bank functions. It has been reported that the Central Bank is proposing to move its headquarters into what is currently a partially completed building in Dublin's Docklands once it has been fitted out in about three years' time. I am advised the Central Bank also uses several other offices in Dublin for its staff. I also note that another major banking property in Dame Street is coming on the market soon.

The Bank of Ireland at College Green is also a very distinctive building and is probably one of the most iconic buildings in Dublin city. This building was the first purpose-built parliament in Europe. It was completed in 1739 and it served as Ireland's Parliament until the Act of Union in 1801. After that, generations of Irish parliamentarians from Daniel O'Connell to Isaac Butt to Charles Stuart Parnell campaigned for the creation of a new Irish Parliament, which ironically almost happened. A return of the College Green building to the people and to public use could be a tangible response to the voices of history.

The design of Edward Lovett Pearse for the parliament building was revolutionary in that pre-revolutionary age. The building was effectively semi-circular, occupying almost 1.5 acres. It also underwent extension by the architect James Gandon, the man responsible for three of Dublin's finest buildings, the Custom House, the Four Courts and the King's Inns. Pearse's building was to open directly onto the green. The principal entrance consisted of Ionic columns extending around three sides of the entrance triangle and forming the letter E. There were also statues representing Hibernia, Fidelity and Commerce above the portico. James Gandon was responsible for the new entrance at the east of the building facing on to Westmoreland Street, rendered distinctive by its Corinthian columns. Robert Parke was responsible for the extension to the west side onto Foster Place. Thus, the building is not only important from a parliamentary point of view, it also tracks the history and progress of Irish design through the 18th and 19th centuries.

The Bank of Ireland at College Green has been chosen by two of the great political orators of our time as the site for their seminal speeches in Ireland, namely, Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. The building is at the hub of the nation's capital, the meeting and convergence point of the main arteries of the city. It is situated close to the original heart of historic Dublin and is almost of a vintage with Trinity College. To Dublin, College Green has the potential to become a cultural and iconic counterpoint to the great city centre nuclei and city squares of the world, including the Piazza San Marco in Venice, Trafalgar Square in London, the Place de la Concorde in Paris, Times Square in New York, without its craziness, St. Peter's Square in Rome, the Piazza Navona in Rome, Piazza del Campo in Sienna - I have never heard of some of these places before - Covent Garden in London, Hotel de Ville in Paris, Plaza Santa Ana in Madrid, Federation Square in Melbourne, Tiananmen Square in Beijing and the Grand Place in Brussels.

The Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, Deputy Deenihan, has had several engagements with the senior management of the Bank of Ireland about the College Green building. Bank of Ireland regards this building as the jewel in its crown, commercially as well as architecturally. The College Green branch of the Bank of Ireland is probably its busiest branch in the network and, I am advised, contributes significantly to the group's bottom line.

The Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, Deputy Deenihan, believes that it is implied in the Deputy's motion that a new cultural asset could simply be created by arranging a straight swop of one building for another. The idea of a swop implies that the Central Bank would have to surrender its current headquarters building in Dame Street and this would involve a significant write-down of asset value on its balance sheet. The Minister doubts if this would be acceptable to the Department of Finance. In addition, there would be substantial costs involved in adapting the College Green building to cultural uses and in professional fees and also in maintaining the building in future. The scale of funding required for such a project is currently beyond that available to my Department. However, the Minister will continue, where appropriate, to engage with Bank of Ireland senior management on the matter of the building lest the policy with regard to the building and other circumstances change. I am unsure whether that is the reply Deputy Humphreys wanted to hear.

3:20 pm

Photo of Kevin HumphreysKevin Humphreys (Dublin South East, Labour)
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I thank the Minister of State for his response. I welcome the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport to the Chamber. I tabled this topical issue to try to get people to start thinking about the Bank of Ireland and the space between it and Trinity College. It was not necessarily that I did not expect the response to the request to organise a swop. I am keen to put out the idea. Earlier today, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport referred to the launch of the connection of the Luas lines.

Let us imagine College Green with a Luas line running through it, with Trinity College on one side and with a centre for arts and literature in the Central Bank. We could use the space of the old senate chamber for a regional assembly, as part of the reform of local government, to engage people back into local democracy in the greater Dublin area. The development of the area as a piazza as well as the areas referred to by the Minister of State would be good not only for Dublin but for the nation. It would give us a real positive centre. Let us imagine a Christmas market spread between Trinity College, Dame Street and the Central Bank with only the Luas line coming through it. It could be a cultural hub. We could celebrate the greats of our literature in the Central Bank or, for our great musicians, we could utilise the piazza with the backdrop of the Central Bank and its beautiful lighting.

Naturally, we are financially constrained but that should not rule out a vision at this stage for the city, about which I am passionate, as are many Members. This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to see a transformation of the piazza in front of that building. When we run a Luas line through the area we should think of this generation and the next generation and a cultural hub for the city.

I understand the cost of joining up the Luas lines runs to €360 million. A small proportion of that could develop the whole piazza. Public opinion and pressure from the State could bring around the Bank of Ireland in some manner. It may not involve a building swop. Anyway, we need to keep a concentration on this area and bear in mind that there should be a social dividend from the banking sector to the citizens of Dublin and Ireland.

Photo of Michael KittMichael Kitt (Galway East, Fianna Fail)
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I call on the Minister of State for the final two minutes.

Photo of Shane McEnteeShane McEntee (Meath East, Fine Gael)
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I will not take two minutes. I accept and I can see that Deputy Humphreys is passionate and has the matter thought out clearly. I have no doubt I will bring back the message to the Minister, Deputy Deenihan. When one believes in something strongly one should never give up on it. Deputy Humphreys is correct about Dublin city and we are all proud of it. What Deputy Humphreys has outlined has convinced me but the thing is to convince the bank to get out of it. As far as I am concerned, the bank is only as good as what comes out of it. Ultimately, whether something comes out of a hayshed or a fine building, it is the result that counts. Deputy Humphreys referred to history and there is a great deal of history attached to this city and this will bring people to it not only next year but every other year.