Mr. Brian McHugh:

It is €600 in New Zealand versus €1,800 here. It is also much quicker in other countries. That is what competition does. Obviously, we all know that solicitors are perfectly capable of doing conveyancing but, when there is competition, you have to hone your game, get better technology and get better and faster at doing it because consumer want a good service at a good price. That is one area of legal reform we have called out. We are also aware of the training monopolies and the rules around the training of solicitors and barristers. There needs to be more places for them to train. The Kelly reforms, which go back a number of years, relate to the courts, how disclosure works and how things are let or not let into the courts as regards judicial reviews. We have a very slow and expensive courts system in Ireland. It is really important that we speed that up. One thing we have called for is just for the data to be provided so that we can compare Ireland with other countries. We want to have all the data on the courts system, how much things cost, how long they take and the price of legal services in Ireland. We do not have that. We need to have it so we can shine a light on the legal system and see how it compares. From our experience, we do not think it compares well internationally. The legal system feeds into all businesses, all consumers and all aspects of things we do. We were even in front of the courts this week. We deal with the legal system regularly. It is an area where Ireland could really up its game as regards competitiveness and the cost of doing business.