Rail transport is an issue about which people can become heated, as they have done both here and in the Lower House. We are discussing railways at a time when there is a certain hostility towards them from motorists. When I was appointed Minister for Public Enterprise five years ago, that hostility was becoming apparent. People would say to me, "The railways – what about them?" as they climbed into their new cars and roared away. They can no longer roar away in any direction, however, because of traffic jams. It used to take two hours to travel from Dublin to Athlone but can now take three hours.