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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Barry Cowen: ...from the Cathaoirleach, Deputy Flanagan, and from Deputy Cronin. Today we meet with An Tánaiste, Deputy Micheál Martin, to discuss matters that have arisen at the Foreign Affairs Council along with the individually tailored partnership programme with NATO. I understand the Tánaiste will be required to be in the Dáil to deliver a statement on the Dublin and Monaghan...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Barry Cowen: There is a long-standing precedent in committees, particularly this one, that if you ask a question, you wait for the answer before continuing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: That moment belongs to a number of current and past Members on all sides of the House who have worked for far too long to bring it to this point. As I have said, time and again, I fear that the moment of our recognition of the state of Palestine will occur at a time when the prospect of a viable sovereign state is at its weakest ebb in many years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

James Lawless: I have waited patiently for my slot. I presume that Deputy Carthy has used up his first, second and third round-robin slots in his long engagement. I congratulate the Tánaiste on the international work that he has done on the world stage. That is something on which I get feedback locally. The Tánaiste is leading from the front, which is welcomed and recognised by the vast...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Micheál Martin: ...humanitarian law, international development aid, climate security, women, peace and conflict. We have fairly distinct positions and when referencing that, I might have gone on for too long for Deputy Carthy in respect of what we are doing in the Middle East. I was endeavouring to make the point that it takes a persistent and consistent focus and approach to build up credibility so that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Micheál Martin: ...are pro-Palestine's right to self-determination, however, we do not allow ourselves to be partisan for the sake of it. We believe in basic principles and they should be applied. There has been a long-standing support in Ireland for Palestinian self-determination. That was a view held in Israel at one stage, that there would be a two-state solution. However, in the last decade or so,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Catherine Ardagh: ...agencies. That is because we have only started looking at this again and building up our capacity when it comes to defence and investment in defence, which is down to the fact that we have emerged from such a long period of peace. In such a short period over the past few years, we have seen a major change on the world stage in the context of war and conflict. We do not know where we are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council, UN Matters and Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs (14 May 2024)

Micheál Martin: ...- we highlighted the importance of that strand to any peace process. In the context of military and defence spending, we are coming from a low base. Given the strength of our GDP, it will be a long time before we get to 2%. That is because our GDP is quite artificial in one sense. However, we can only increase in line with our capacity to absorb. We are building up the level of...

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