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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: On behalf of the Immigration Control Platform, I thank the Chairman and members for the opportunity to make a presentation this afternoon. Let me introduce myself. I am Áine Ní Chonaill, PRO of Immigration Control Platform and I am accompanied by my colleague from the executive committee, Mr. Ted Neville. Immigration Control Platform was founded in January...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Mr. Ted Neville: We were having this interchange earlier when other Deputies were seeking to speak. The level of support among the general population for a greater degree of control on mass immigration is quite significant. The Deputy is right: we did not get elected when we went before the public on the issue. Irish general elections tend to veer off on many other things and certain...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Finian McGrath: I do not agree that we never discuss immigration. We regularly do so. Also, there are a number of politicians - I disagree with them - who have raised the issue during elections to try to get votes. Anyway, I will not go back over the history lesson. My final question relates to the Immigration Control Platform organisation or group. It is interesting that Mr. Neville has referred to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: No, that is not the case. Illegal immigration is an abuse of Irish citizens and it is offensive to think that we would allow an illegal immigrant to stay except under the very special circumstances about which I have spoken - namely, those who fell into illegality through no fault of their own. I have also said that there could be very special circumstances and, as I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...regularisation would result in a fiscal gain to the State of €185 million during a five year period, or €37 million per annum. They failed to take account however of the fact that each illegal immigrant in a job displaces an Irish citizen or a legal immigrant who should be in that job. If we take even the lowest estimate of the MRCI figure, that gives us a figure of 17,400...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Finian McGrath: Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn referred earlier to thejournal.ie. He took the view that in response to today's debate most people would support the Immigration Control Platform position. I do not agree with that assessment. I believe approximately 15% of the Irish population would support that position. What is the view of the deputation on the amount of public support they have for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...I stood for election and everybody who seeks election puts their platform before the people. I will say this: Irish elections are held in one particular context. They are held in the context that immigration is not discussed. At the risk of upsetting anybody, a vow of silence is taken by every Deputy here before every election not to discuss immigration. It is painted to us as not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...to this earlier, but it arises in every survey and poll that comes up. Obviously, it depends on the question put, but let us suppose it is a general question, such as "Do you think we need strict immigration controls?" or "Do you think we might be going too far with immigration?". That type of generalised question seems to bring up a "Yes" answer for between 60% and 65% of people. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...If I might come in, the Americans have absolutely no interest in whether we legalise Pakistanis, Nigerians or Chinese. Obviously, the reciprocity there would be that if they legalised our illegal immigrants we would have to legalise the small number of American illegal immigrants. I would like to take up this idea one hears about the hypocrisy of the Government. Quite frankly, it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Seán Kenny: Most of the questions I intended to ask have already been raised, but I do have one remaining. It is a fact that people who are perceived as being illegal immigrants in this country are frequently subjected to abuse and sometimes to physical attacks. What is the witnesses' view on whether using language such as "armadas of immigrants," talking about people coming here and "giving two...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...Deputy McFadden made about how terrible it is to call people illegals. We have the authority of the Irish Statute Book behind us in this. There is on our Statute Book a law which is the Illegal Immigrants (Trafficking) Act 2000. The Statute Book by the way does not recognise that the other terminology, illegal immigrants, is the proper terminology. I hope I have answered Deputy McFadden.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: We indicated in our opening statement that some people who are technically illegal immigrants have fallen out of the system through no fault of their own. Perhaps their employers had assured them they had obtained or renewed a work permit but had not done so. We do not object to the scheme mentioned in paragraph 8 of the statement in regard to these people. ...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

.... The committee has before it a supplementary sheet which highlights the Government response every time regularisation is mentioned, namely, that member states agreed the European Pact on Immigration and Asylum at the European Council in October 2008, which made specific commitments to use only case-by-case regularisation rather than generalised regularisation under national law. It is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...walk down the road to my nearest Deputy and put it to him as well, but I know he will not stand up on his hind feet in Dáil Éireann, face the camera and start talking about my concerns about immigration. It is not mentioned in either of the two Houses of the Oireachtas. It simply is not discussed. Deputies have a duty, and I envy them. I would love to have been in the House,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

...passed at the Sinn Féin Ard-Fheis in April 1998. Motion No. 26, which was passed unanimously, states: "Sinn Féin will work for the achievement of the optimum position of no restriction on immigration into Ireland." Motion No. 27 states: "Sinn Féin deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country." Perhaps the Deputy's party...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Fergus O'Dowd: Notwithstanding whatever criticism the Immigration Control Platform makes of the argument, is Mr. Neville arguing that these people ought be deported at the end of that process? Does he not see that if we regularise the position of all of those people then at least we would recognise the humanity of the families concerned, their commitment to their communities and their children? This is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: As a single-issue organisation, our position is that immigration, legal or illegal, to any jurisdiction other than ours is simply not our business.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Ms Áine Ní Chonaill: We might be inconsistent if we were a multi-issue organisation, but we are a single-issue organisation. Immigration to this jurisdiction is our only concern. The Americans, in their millions, may concern themselves with the other question and, believe me, millions of them are so concerned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Undocumented Migrants: Immigration Control Platform (1 Apr 2015)

Seán Kenny: -----because of the language used by organisations such as the Immigration Control Platform. He has not addressed that in his answer whatsoever.

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