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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Anonymously.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The operator would know it was a free travel pass, but it would not know the identity of the travel pass holder.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The identity is known to the Department only.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I just wanted to clarify that point. Does Senator Higgins have any concluding questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I will bring colleagues in to ask some supplementary questions after the Minister has responded.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: No, I will-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I need to be fair to other members of the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I have given the Senator ample opportunity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: If there is time, the Senator will be able to ask a supplementary question. I call Deputy O'Dea.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Please allow the Minister to finish.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I will comment on the issue of the public services card being mandatory. The Minister indicated several times that people have a choice of using a paper-based system, for which they do not need the card, but that most people are happy to use the card. I acknowledge that. However, there was a shift in February 2018 when the Road Safety Authority, RSA, specifically stated that the public...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: No, there was no alternative. Although the RSA subsequently changed its position, its initial statement of 20 February 2018 was that, as of 9 April 2018, all applications would require the public services card. Therein lies the problem. There was a policy shift by the RSA. I have not looked at all the other cases but I want to put that one on record. That was a specific change by the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I am acknowledging that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The Minister has referred several times to paper-based methods and spoke about other Departments and users of the scheme. I am specifically showing that in this case a very clear indication was given that the public services card would be mandatory, although the position subsequently changed. I do not want to take up time with this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: I am conscious that we must conclude at 11 a.m. I will take two supplementary questions and then close the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Allow the Minister to make a response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The Deputy has made his point. I want the Minister to have an opportunity to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: The Deputy must be brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Deputy Brady-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

John Curran: Will Deputy Brady please afford the Minister an opportunity? I am anxious about time and I promised Senator Higgins an opportunity also.

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