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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Before I move on to the agenda, please be aware that in all audio files or Teams meetings there is no guarantee for members that the meeting will not be recorded by someone else in error. We have received apologies from Deputy Mythen. Before we begin I bring to the attention of those present that witnesses giving evidence from within the parliamentary precincts are protected by absolute...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I beg to differ on the ability to move a slurry bag. When it is used once and you have 80,000 to 100,000 gallons of slurry in it, I do not know how you could move it to another location.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Mr. Egan means heat as regards an animal being in heat rather than heating water. Sorry. I misunderstood. There are collars that have to be put on animals, and I accept that these and be put on and taken off. There are also boluses used for that, which are put into the cows' stomachs. They are most definitely permanent fixtures which do the same job.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I will let the other members in. I might have more to say before we finish. Next is Senator Lombard and then Deputy Fitzmaurice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Since 1972.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Yes, it is a different thing. Mr. Egan referred to cubicle mats in his opening statement. Rubbers on slats mostly go on for welfare reasons. There is also a very strong view now that they control and reduce emissions from the slurry when it is being agitated.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Let Mr. Egan answer. I will let the Deputy back in, if possible.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: It started earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: With respect, Mr. Egan, the question being asked is if people who bought tanks in 2021 allowed to reclaim the VAT cost paid, whereas those who bought a milk tank that went into the system in 2023 were refused a VAT refund. Surely this is a change in the interpretation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: That is not correct. I will go back to calf feeders. They was refundable without any question up to August last year and now calf feeders are being refused refunds. These are the simple facts and this must be a change in interpretation. I know umpteen men who bought calf feeders. They were advertised at the ploughing match as being eligible for a VAT refund. Every farmer who bought a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Wait now. In all fairness, Senator Boyhan wants to get in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I will come back to Senator Daly in a second. I call Senator Boyhan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: In fairness, as Chair of this Oireachtas committee and I am disappointed with the answers. I am putting that on the official record. It is crystal clear to us as politicians that the policy of the revenue changed. The witnesses have categorically denied that that happened. They are perfectly entitled to do that. As I said, at the ploughing match, calf feeders were advertised as being...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: We have had a very robust exchange of views and I am sure that our guests realise this is a huge issue for us, as public representatives. We disagree on the statement but that is where we are at. I know that the Revenue Commissioners are in discussions with the farming organisations and will produce guidelines. We have discussed a number of issues, including the size of meal bins. I want...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I propose that we suspend the meeting in order to allow our next witnesses to come in for the next session.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Before we begin, I bring to witnesses' attention that when giving evidence from within the parliamentary precincts, they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they give to a committee. This means that witnesses have full defence in any defamation action for anything said at a committee meeting. However, witnesses are expected not to abuse this privilege and may be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I thank Mr. Gleeson. We have discussed ash dieback here on numerous occasions. We have been lobbying very hard as a committee and as individual members to get some recognition of the huge financial loss that was suffered by the growers. I welcome the €5,000 per ha. It will not cover all the losses due to ash dieback but it is a recognition of the huge loss these farmers have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: I will make a couple of points before finishing up. Mr. Gleeson hit the nail on the head when he talked about the length of the premiums. Farmers are making decisions and are probably thinking of the next generation coming after them. We talked about native planting and native forests. While the figure looks attractive, the reality is after 20 years, they are going to be waiting an awful...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: The next public meeting of the committee is at 5.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 15 May when the committee will examine collection and recycling of farm plastic.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Jackie Cahill: Like carbon credits.

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