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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Am I right in saying there are 225 emergency IPAS centres?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: That would include more than 4,500 children.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: There were only 30 inspections carried out by the Department in 2023 and none so far this year. Am I right in saying that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: A couple of minutes ago before I gave him those stats Mr. McCarthy said that the Department carries out inspections. However, he did not say they carry out the most minimal inspections - 30.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I have the figure of 30 inspections. I will double check Mr. McCarthy's figure, but even at that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Even at that, 105 is less than 50%, despite the fact that more than 4,500 children are being accommodated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Yes, but that is not the same as inspections.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: With regard to the same standards not applying to emergency accommodation, we have heard reports that some of these centres are staffed entirely by security staff. Is that true?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: As Secretary General, Mr. McCarthy is not aware of any centre being run by a team of security staff. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Let us take the example of the D Hotel in my town of Drogheda. In his opening statement, Mr. McCarthy made reference to the community engagement team but there was literally no engagement in that instance. The main hotel in the centre of the town was just taken over. There was a thorough lack of engagement. What galled me was the fact that the phone was not even picked up. There was no...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: The Department does not seem to learn from it, though. That is my point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Community engagement team is the wrong title then because we got a phone call to tell us that the deed was done, like it or lump it. That is exactly what happened.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I know. I am just taking exception to the term "community engagement" and telling Mr. McCarthy that there was no engagement. Had there been engagement, it could have prevented a situation from arising. We had to manage that situation because of the lack of engagement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I have asked for four or five sets of figures. Could we get those before the break?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Have the new heads of Bill gone to Cabinet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: It is not in the summer, however.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Mr. McCarthy said it was not on the list for this summer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: When does Mr. McCarthy think we can expect it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: Has the Department been working on the amendment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Imelda Munster: I am sorry; Mr. McCarthy might just say that again. The general scheme of the Bill is-----

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