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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: According to the figures, the total was €366 million and SUSI's budget was €146 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: What was it last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: How many students are in receipt of grants from SUSI?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: What is the average payment per student?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: If we divide the figure of €280 million by the number of students, what is the average grant payment per student?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: If ones take the ordinary student, what size of cheque is he or she getting?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: If one divides the total payment by the number of students, what figure does one get?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: The operational cost per applicant in 2012 was €119. This was the cost of processing the application. In 2013 it was €103 and in 2014 it was €83. If you divide the figure by the number of students you get a higher figure than the one you have given me.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Is that the absolute total, not just the total for SUSI students?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: If you divide that into the total what figure do you get?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: It states that for 2014-2015 it is €83. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I see that it has dropped. Does Mr. Murphy expect it to drop further?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: On what is that based?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: It seems you had a very difficult job at the start, but I recognise the transformation in recent times. The staff in my office tell me that the response times for feedback have been perfected in the past academic year. Do you have information that can be easily disseminated on merchandise for the student population? What happens in cases of force majeure? Many students are not familiar...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: A lot of students are very IT-literate but, for second level schools, would you not consider an A4 flyer?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Some people have difficulties arising from the fact that they are marginally above the threshold for benefits, sometimes by as little as €5. It is a centralised service and discretion was never shown by local authorities, but we have had a challenging time and some self-employed people may have no income or may be marginally above the limit, making them ineligible. Some students drop...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 88 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Restructuring the Administration of Student Grants (11 Jun 2015)

John Perry: The service is centralised in Dublin, but have you used the network of local radio stations? This could be used to educate parents, more so than students. A lot of parents living in rural areas do not have broadband and local radio is good value for money when it comes to giving impartial information on how to avail of the grants that are available.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 10 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 11 - Control of Supplementary Welfare Allowances
Chapter 12 - Farm Assist
Social Insurance Fund 2013
(28 May 2015)

John Perry: I welcome Ms O'Donoghue. The Chairman has made a good point about extrapolating the payments. In terms of the average payments, that is a random selection at a particular point in time. What would be the margin of error on those types of payment if the Department had a concern about them? With the budget available to the Department, it would be difficult to do a random selection on the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 10 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 11 - Control of Supplementary Welfare Allowances
Chapter 12 - Farm Assist
Social Insurance Fund 2013
(28 May 2015)

John Perry: We will not worry. If the turnover of €19 billion is divided by the anomalies of the turnover of control, does Mr. McCarthy have a calculation for what that percentage would be if one takes the extrapolated figures into the budget of €19 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection
Chapter 10 - Regularity of Social Welfare Payments
Chapter 11 - Control of Supplementary Welfare Allowances
Chapter 12 - Farm Assist
Social Insurance Fund 2013
(28 May 2015)

John Perry: I thank Mr. McCarthy. The Chairman has pointed out that in the extrapolated figures, the €2 million a week is the level of discretion on the rent supplement. It is a very good point because €2 million a week is a lot of money. People may be looking for an extra €50 which is a lot of money in the context of benefits. Reference was made to controls and the public...

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