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Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Can Dr. Beamish send me correspondence on this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: There is one other contentious issue, namely, the situation of the lost at sea scheme and the Byrne family. The Ombudsman's office went to the EU and it was indicated that his widow should be compensated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: This is an appalling case. It has gone on for years and we are talking about outstanding debts. The family was left without their father, lost off the Donegal coast. The Ombudsman's office ruled that the State was entitled to pay the compensation. I cannot understand. It is not a huge amount of money, but it is morally wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: We will just discuss this case now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: This is the case that went-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: This has been raised time and again. It has gone to Europe. The Ombudsman's office found the Department was liable. It was stated in a very clear report that this payment should be made. There may be other cases, but no other case went to this level. If an independent officer of the State makes a recommendation, it is very similar to the Comptroller and Auditor General making a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: The problem is that there has been so much debate, but no action. People are tired of the debate. The recommendations are very clear. Mrs. Byrne, an elderly widow, is still alive. The State has let her down. Is the Chairman aware of this case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Regardless of the precedent that has been set, we must ask ourselves what is the decent thing to do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I must press the point that this case has been brought to the attention of several Secretaries General and they all have come back with a stock answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: And as my colleague says, it has been put to several Ministers.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Yes, Chairman. It was very clear.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I think that it is the advice that has been given to the Minister in regard to this case. We saw the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General on the Department and an account of the Department's discussion on legal fees. The family did not take the litigation route because of the cost of legal fees. The Department took legal advice, but this lady could not afford to take the risk of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Will Mr. O'Driscoll give us an overview on the process and a potential solution if possible?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I have two items I wish to raise, one of which is the recent BSE scare in light of cattle for breeding being imported into the country.

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: One would be amazed that in this day of technology the epidemiological test would take that length of time. Why would it take that length of time for the results of an epidemiological test?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Will Mr. O'Driscoll explain how the dead animals are collected? Is there a veterinary officer in all of those areas?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: I refer to the rendering process in the knackery yard, from the time of collection to inspection. I refer to the previous case and the absence of veterinary personnel in the factory. How many vets work in the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: How many knackeries are in the country?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Who is responsible for reporting the deaths of animals over 48 months?

Public Accounts Committee: 2013 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(18 Jun 2015)

John Perry: Is compensation paid for under 48 months?

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