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Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Where is theOmar B now?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Who owns it now?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: It was an expensive boat.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: In 2008, it was stated it would take €150,000 to make it seaworthy.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: I come from a coastal area and the population base is interested in training in managing seaworthy vessels and equally in improving such skills and education. The history of this boat is that it has been quite a while in dry dock. It needs a plan of action as, regrettably, it is not being utilised now and it is of benefit to nobody.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: I thank Mr. Owens.

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Arein camerameetings part of the normal procedures of the new ETB? Does it hold many in camerameetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: During this difficult, challenging period, many in camera meetings were held, for which there is no minute, and they were not open to the public. Does Mr. Owens feel that could have been intimidating for the people involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Have the former chief executive officers been appointed to other boards? What are they doing now?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is that a full-time job?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: With regard to the mileage expenses and so on of former chief executive officers, what did Mr. Owens find in his investigation?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: How much would they have been approximately?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Was it not a higher figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Clearly, when one considers the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, the inaction by the Department and the implementation of the new structure, Mr. Owens has a critical job. The backbone of the economy is workers and their education. We have people returning to lifelong learning and with all the important qualifications that are required, the management structure within the ETB has a...

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Mr. Owens has a difficult job today as he retrospectively reconciles issues from 2011-12 that did not happen under this watch. The message for the Department is the first call of duty should not be to a legal adviser because mediation is important. Legal eagles are expensive. Would Mr. Owens recommend a mediation service in future?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: There are 16 different authorities now. Is that correct, Mr. Ó Foghlú?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: This is just one under the spotlight today. There has been a massive reconfiguration with the other 16 bodies having been taken in charge. There were credit controllers and principal officers in each county. There was one each in counties Leitrim, Sligo, Donegal and Mayo, for example. How was that square rounded?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is it not the case that the capitation grant per student is considerably higher from the Department to the ETBs, or former VECs, when compared with religious schools? What is the difference? Is the difference not considerable?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: It is important to know, if one considers the funding from the State to Education and Training Boards Ireland, ETBI, compared with the two other sectors. If one takes a single student, what is the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: Comptroller and Auditor General Special Report No. 89
Internal Control in County Cork Vocational Education Committee
(9 Jul 2015)

John Perry: Is this not a major gap?

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