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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I understand the infrastructure piece but I refer to putting the burden of responsibility to address any issues that arise on the entity that provides it. The CRU has some oversight on such entities. Does Ms Joyce feel the CRU has enough oversight or does she believe legislation should be broadened to put a responsibility on the company that delivers the gas to identify potential risks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It is the plumber who puts the regulator on the tank. The gas company takes no interest in that; it is the tank. It will come and paint a tank and put a new sticker on it but the regulator, which has the potential to leak, can be leaking away for as long as it likes and the company does not seem to have any responsibility in that regard. This is where I believe there is a gap. We are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Okay. My last question is around how this is dealt with in an office block, for example. There are plenty of small office campuses in semi-rural areas where there are small companies or a multiplicity of small companies where 50 or 60 people operate from. Indeed, there are hotels, too. What level of scrutiny is afforded to those? I am thinking of the volume of people that could be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Does the HSA carry out checks on stuff like this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It does, okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I thank the witnesses.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: In view of the fact that the Minister is attending, I am sure they would not-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I welcome the Minister and thank her for being with us for so long. I will pay tribute to Siún Ní Raghallaigh. I have had the benefit of meeting her here on numerous occasions. I found her to be beyond reproach, as someone who took on a difficult job and put an immense effort into trying to resolve this issue. One can only imagine the challenges she faced, the kind of detail...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It was inadvertent, yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It was unintentional. There was no board approval for the exit packages of two individuals. That was really the core issue. That is your big issue - that there was no board approval for these, although there was a promise that it would happen in the future.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: That happened on Monday and it happened on Wednesday. Then you got clarification. I do not mean to be facetious, but that sounds a bit like a child and a teacher or a parent having a conversation where the child says, "I do not have my homework done", and the question is, "Do you have your homework done?". The answer is, "No, I do not have my homework done", and then, a little later, it is...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I get both that and point on the accuracy of the information, but the probity of the work that was done was there. There was a miscommunication, and we accept that, but the probity and governance are what is really important. Fair enough, she got a bit of information wrong. The Minister referred to numerous occasions, but it was numerous occasions relating to the same issue. It was...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I know, but, in religious parlance, it is a venial sin in comparison with the actual governance issues. Obviously, that is my view; the Minister has explained her view. The Minister stated that she got the calls going out in the car. I am a bit confused about that. When more than one person knows information, it will get out. Why did the Minister think she had a duty to leak the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: On the one hand, Minister, you said earlier that you flagged to the former chair that if you were asked, you would address the issue on "Prime Time". You flagged that at 4 p.m. or 4.30 p.m. Then you went out to RTÉ and flagged it yourself in order that you were going to be asked the question. Maybe RTÉ had the information, but you seem to suggest that you flagged it to them. Do...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Why did you not say to her, "I am going to leak this information to 'Prime Time', they will ask me about it and this is what I will say"?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: To somebody else.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You talked at the beginning of the meeting about setting the record straight and about transparency and openness. You were only going to offer transparency and openness if somebody else heard about it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You indicated that-----

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