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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: I know, but all politicians are accused of being experts at evading questions. That accusation is given to us quite often, which is fair enough.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Perhaps, and that is potentially a different debate.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Let me put it this way. Would it have been better, when the question was put to you to give detail about conversations with Ms Ní Raghallaigh and the fact that you were misinformed, to have said that very important information was emerging which necessitated a meeting with the chair of the board, who was then Siún Ní Raghallaigh, that the meeting was happening the next day and...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: So after you had found out she had been misinformed on both Coveney's and Collins's exit packages, you requested this meeting with Siún Ní Raghallaigh prior to the "Prime Time" interview and she declined that meeting or said it should not happen.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Seeking a meeting?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: How did that communication happen?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Phone calls? Okay. She was not willing to receive a letter or she felt that-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Okay, that is extraordinary.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Do you think she would have been unwilling to meet, or had she actually agreed to the meeting on the Friday at the point you went on "Prime Time"?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Had she changed her mind? Had she agreed to the meeting?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: She had not actually agreed to the meeting.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Okay. You felt you had been misinformed three times: when she did not inform you about the resignation of Dee Forbes, or that she sought the resignation, there was the instance in terms of the Coveney exit package, and the instance in terms of Mr. Collins's exit package. Sport is within your Department. Baseball is not very widely played in Ireland but is it a case of three strikes and you...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: After the Monday, in terms of the Coveney exit package and the misinformation and she corrected that, had you given her prior warning that it was the second time you felt she had misinformed you and that, if it happened again, there would have to be a serious conversation?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: You were asked to express confidence in her. Was there any other way you could have got out of that question? It was a tricky question; there was this big shadow hanging over the whole situation. You just shared information that she was not willing to receive a letter. Do you feel you could not have said you had full confidence at that point?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Did you genuinely not foresee the resignation?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Okay, so that potential resignation was there. You were informed that if you were going to send a letter, there could potentially be a resignation coming. That is interesting.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Even after what has transpired and the number of times you have felt Ms Ní Raghallaigh has misinformed you, do you regret that she is gone? Would you like if she was still in place?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Do you think the right outcome is that she is gone or would you prefer she was still chair of the board?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: It sounds to me like you think it is the right outcome.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Christopher O'Sullivan: Okay. Regarding the knowledge of the Department, I am very uncertain about this given that in Ms Ní Raghallaigh's statement she says "I informed the Department about the process which led to Richard’s departure from RTÉ, on October 10th, the day after it was approved". Is that accurate?

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