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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: A mat cannot be cemented.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is bolted down.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am trying to establish whether the witnesses understand the situation for farmers. This is why it is so important that they engage with either Teagasc or the farmer organisations and go out to farms to see for themselves what is there. If the mats are put on the slats, they are bolted down. If a farmer wants to take them up, it will rip the slat or the mat. The second point is that no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: That is grand. There is one thing I cannot get my head around. The witnesses indicated that if a meal tank is built on a new build, the VAT can be reclaimed, but it cannot be reclaimed on other than a new build. What is the thinking behind that? If I have a big door where I have the tank, whether it is an old place or a new place, the tank has to go into it. You build the building and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Mr. Egan should be mindful of one thing. Revenue deals with this day in, day out. You get a small farmer who has 40 or 50 acres and you might have another farmer who owns 400 or 500 acres. The second one might need a big bin, but the person with the 40 or 50 acres, in fairness, is entitled to get the VAT back. Such farmers make up most of rural Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If Ms Lyons gives me a her details, I will contact her. If we, as TDs, ring Revenue, we will be told that we have to go back to the person involved. They do not give us anything. Is not that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is an issue with Revenue. If we get permission to make representations on behalf of someone who has a problem and we talk to Revenue, we will be informed that it can only talk to the person - who has the relevant tax or VAT number - in question. Every other Department that we talk to, such as agriculture or health, sends back replies and talks to us. Why is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I will do that, but I am asking another question. Once a constituent comes to a TD and signs a GDPR permission, the TD becomes part of the process once he or she TD sends in a query. If there is an appeal, the TD would be part of the process. However, Revenue informs us that it cannot talk to anyone only the person concerned. Why is that the case, even though we have consent from people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I have one final question because I want to let other members in. The officials are saying that a change is not coming. However, there has been change. At one time, if you had a shed and you put in a tank, you would get the VAT back. That does not happen now. There has a change somewhere along the line. Off the top of my head, the change happened in September or around that time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Maybe a bit earlier. We are now almost halfway into the new year and we are still wobbling, over and back, trying to decide what is what. When will there be a definitive list for farmers? The problem, which Senator Lombard mentioned, is there are many farmers who will not buy something because they do not know whether they can get the VAT back. Maybe they can in a month's time, but what...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It would have been paid already.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: It is not that it is costing Revenue money as such. Someone in the circle to which I refer paid the money. My opinion is that the person who made the meal bin was paid the price plus the VAT by the farmer. VAT details are sent in every two months. Whatever the person paid out in VAT other than that, he or she put one against the other and the farmer went to claim it back. I would...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I just want to be clear on one issue. For 2020, 2021 and 2022, the farming organisations and the politicians never opened their mouths because there was never a problem. We did not just get wings and start flying since June and July last year. A problem has arisen and the farming organisations are on about it. Let us not keep denying there has been a change. If there was not a change,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: VAT Refunds to Unregistered Farmers: Revenue Commissioners (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Was there an EU audit-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I thank the witnesses for coming in. To follow on from Deputy Kerrane, how long will the three payments take to be made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: What does Mr. Gleeson mean by the end of the premium period?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If the game was up on them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Do people have to wait four or five years, at best? Will the quickest be four or five years?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If people have premiums, do they have to plant again? Could it take seven or eight years for some people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Forest Strategy Implementation Plan: Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (8 May 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am dealing with the €5,000. Will Mr. Delany stay on the €5,000 so that I will understand? We have looked at the scenario of the people who are replanting now. They will get €2,500 now and €1,250 and €1,250 in four and five years' time. Is that right?

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