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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That has been split so that there is not the same-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It resulted in very long meetings.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That is good. That was one of the EY recommendations. Of course, an important member of the board should be the CEO who acts in an ex officio capacity, involving full participation and voting rights. As deputy CEO, is Dr. Gallagher able to attend board meetings, with full voting capacity?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Dr. Gallagher is attending but does not have voting privileges. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: That is an issue. I want to explore a small ambiguity in the opening statement. Dr. Gallagher said that Mr. O'Donnell is ill and continues to be on leave. Is that illness leave?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: There is an ambiguity in the statement, which reads, "As advised to the Committee in advance of the March meeting by the CEO, Mr O’Donnell is ill and continues to be on leave." On a cursory reading, I would interpret that as meaning that he continues to be on sick leave. However, Dr. Gallagher does not wish to confirm to the committee today that the nature of his leave is illness...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Would Dr. Gallagher agree that there is a difference in tone between what is in his opening statement and what he is saying now?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: I find myself in a difficult position. Maybe it is a question for the board to answer or for Mr. Collins, as chairman, to answer, but I do not have Mr. Collins in front of me so I will move on. I want to go back to a line of questioning that I explored on the last occasion relating to the change of base from Citywest to Ballyshannon. We want to put a lot of this stuff behind us, but it was...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: We have nothing either to the fact. If Ms Campion has nothing to the contrary, we have nothing to the fact. Is there any written record?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: But it would not be a function of the previous head of HR to approve of a change of contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: So there is no written report of Mr. Gorman having approved it. In fact, it would not have been within the remit of Mr. Gorman to make it on a unilateral basis in any case.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: There is no minute of the board that approves of this-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: -----and an updated contract was never co-signed.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Is it Ms Campion's understanding that in order for that to have been effectual, a written contract should have been co-signed and it should have been a decision of the board?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: While Ms Campion said there is nothing to change the previous stated position of the IFI, she is also saying that there is nothing to support the previous position of the IFI.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: It is a heavy load to lay at the door of Mr. Gorman when we have no written documentary evidence to prove that that decision was ever made by him. We have a statement from the previous head of HR.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Okay. In the time remaining, I want to have a look at the EY report. In his opening statement, Dr. Gallagher stated that he accepts all of the recommendations and that he is happy. I think it is a good piece of work. He is accepting all of the recommendations. Five of the detailed findings and recommendations, or five of the subheadings, from 2.1 to 2.5, inclusive, are to happen within...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: The headings are: clear definition and agreement of the strategic remit of Inland Fisheries Ireland; realignment of board and committee structures and membership; refresh of supporting governance documents and provision of training; 2.4 is training and induction of board; and, probably critically, 2.5, relationship between the CEO and board chair. There is a number of sub-recommendations...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: You are doing pre-board meetings.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: Inland Fisheries Ireland (25 Apr 2024)

Marc Ó Cathasaigh: Very good.

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