Mr. Alan Esslemont:

I would put it a different way. Taking "Smother", for example, we hope to get to a point where hubs exist outside of Dublin and Wicklow and you are not figuring in all the time that you are paying people to move outside the Pale. It does not make sense. A huge number of the people working on "Smother" are people who cut their teeth in TG4. The director, for example, was the director of the first of our Cine4 things. We have to approach it two ways. I understand totally that a big attraction for the State is to bring dollars in but we have to get to a point where we are growing the industry, growing companies and growing skills outside of the industry.

The Senator asked what is the one thing to do on that. I will ask my colleague, Ms Ní Dhálaigh, to talk about talent, but one thing would be to take our scale to the level that it should be. TG4's scale, when I started, was 9% of the turnover of RTÉ despite in law having almost exactly the same remit. We will not get through the 2030s with the scale we have at present. We need to get at least to the scale that is enjoyed by S4C, the Basques or the Galicians. That is the kind of level we need to get to. We will not get through the 2030s with our present scale. Given our model spends 80% outside of Dublin and Wicklow, that can then prime an awful lot of development and make it easier for people to work outside of the Pale. Another big thing is that we have to develop talent outside of Dublin and Wicklow.

Does Ms Ní Dhálaigh want to speak a little about that?