Paul Gavan (Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

The word that comes to mind is "empowerment". The witnesses are engaged in a process of empowerment which is fantastic. My request is that we - I know the witnesses already have it in hand - get the Department before the committee and hold it to account on this as soon as possible because it is entirely unacceptable and to be frank, I think it is a clear example of institutionalised racism, whereby for all the fine words, Cena has just been left and it is not good enough.

I will finish with my second question. Let me apologise in advance. I have to attend a leader debate in the Seanad for my party, Sinn Féin, which is why I keep looking over my shoulder every few minutes.

I was not aware of the MABS issue and did not realise how few Travellers have access to bank accounts. It is 63%. What is needed to address that issue and how can we go about addressing it? I entirely accept the point about financial exclusion and all the downsides to it. I am taken aback by the level of exclusion. What is the fix and how can we help?