Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I have two brief questions. The first relates to what Dr. McCarthy said about not being allowed to record deficits. We had some discussion at the meeting on 19 June with regard to the impact this has. As Dr. McCarthy said, the organisations are businesses. In business terms, there is a name for that. I have no wish to be throwing it around but we know what it is. I wish to be clear. The HSE prohibits the organisations from recording a deficit but the executive expect services to be delivered. Can you confirm that the organisations effectively take referrals from the HSE, Dr. McCarthy? People in the community are told where they can access these support services. Ms Jones illustrated well exactly how that works. It strikes me that there is an attitude of wanting it but not being prepared to pay for it on the part of the HSE. Can you expand on that and explain how the relationship works, Dr. McCarthy? Perhaps I am wrong but I am hearing that on the one hand the HSE says it desperately needs the organisations but on the other hand the HSE is not prepared to pay for them.