John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

The €666 million has gone down.
On the section 38s, it is pretty clear from what Mr. O’Brien is telling us, in layman’s language, that we will end up with what he describes as red circles all over the place because the contractual arrangement between some of the agencies and their staff is in place or there will be sufficient evidence provided to cause HSE legal difficulty in pursuing this. That is probably the position. What Mr. O'Brien said this morning about what the Minister for Finance said in the Dáil in 1996 sort of gives them an opportunity to make the argument that the Minister said so. Would be fair to say that argument will be used?