Dr. Rogier Schulte:

Deputy Ó Cuív has made an excellent point. As we understand the new Common Agricultural Policy, CAP, scheme, Pillar 2 payments can only be used to offset income forgone. This is a European rule rather than a national one. This issue does not only relate to biodiversity, though, as we have encountered the same issue with the carbon navigator that we presented. That all of the navigator's measures are cost effective and cost beneficial means that we cannot include it under Pillar 2. However, some of the other issues to which the Deputy referred, such as education, knowledge transfer and their cost, can be considered under Pillar 2. It is a question of designing the approach in a smart way.