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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I might stay in the digital space for a moment. I was also surprised by the championing of the app in Mr. Devane's statement. Is there sufficient funding currently to deal with cyberattacks? Can Mr. Devane give us a little rundown on that and how he is prioritising it within his workload?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: By inherent weaknesses, does Mr. Devane mean that various hospitals or settings are using various types of programmes and networks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I think "inelegant" might be slightly underestimating the threat that it poses. Is the HSE looking at nearly 500 lawsuits relating to the 2021 breach?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Has Mr. Devane done a scoping exercise on the kind of liability the HSE faces on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I presume that is the risk committee, is it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The financial liability.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I suppose it speaks to maybe going back to the Department of Public Expenditure, NDP Delivery and Reform and saying that here is the financial liability of having a network like this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: If that committee has an overarching framework it is working towards, does it have a sense of the timeline for that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: When is Mr. Devane expecting it to report on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Mr. Devane mentioned the various committees. That issue around investment in digital is separate from the liability that the HSE faces for any data breaches. I presume those two committees are working hand in glove.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. There is currently a report in the media in respect of physical data breaches. Is that a concern? I have some questions about capital spend in the management of estates, etc. I probably will not get to them in this slot but may get to them when I speak next. It strikes me that some of the reports are physical records that have been left in various storage facilities. Those are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: We do not need to discuss the specifics of the case. The HSE owns a huge amount of building stock, some of which is in current use. I imagine that some of the stock that is not necessarily in active use is used as storage. That must be coming up at board level.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Has the case that has recently been opened by the commissioner been the matter of discussion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I presume that will result in some kind of review or audit of storage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Health Service Executive: Chairperson Designate (29 May 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Mr. Devane would want to speak to the board beforehand.

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