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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Apologies have been received from Deputy Paul Donnelly. Members participating remotely are required to do so from within the Leinster House precincts only. I welcome the witnesses. Witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the presentations they make to the committee. This means they have an absolute defence against any defamation action in respect of anything they say...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank Ms Skelly and Ms Cox for their evidence. I invite Mr. Musgrave to make his opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank Mr. Musgrave. I now invite Ms Bailey to make her opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank Ms Bailey. I now invite members to raise questions regarding the submissions, both oral and written, we have received. I remind members participating remotely to use the raise hand function if they wish to contribute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank Deputy Ó Cuív. In fairness, the Parliamentary Budget Office, in all its submissions to this committee has consistently indicated the challenges of one-parent families in particular. The committee is very conscious of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank Ms Bailey. I call Senator Wall.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I call Senator McGreehan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Yes, very briefly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I have a couple of matters to raise. First of all Ms Cox, in regard to the costings from the Parliamentary Budget Office, one glaring issue has been ignored in those calculations. The projected cost is €375 million to bring 27,000 carers in under the payment with the abolition of the means test. However, that cost does not take into account the significant administration cost of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: We will resume. The committee is considering the impact of means testing on disability allowance, disablement pension and other social welfare schemes with the Disability Federation of Ireland, DFI, and associated organisations. The committee is interested in hearing about the impact of the means test on these organisations and the people for whom they advocate along with recommendations...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Thank you. I call Ms Porter to make her opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Is that €2,706 per annum?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Could Ms Phelan give us an example of what she is talking about?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: It is on page 5 of the submission.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I am sorry; I see the point the Deputy is making.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I will remind the Deputy of that, yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Does Ms Phelan have any insight or enlightenment for Deputy Ó Cuív?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: I thank the witnesses for their evidence. I particularly thank Mr. Hannafin for his evidence. We can take that evidence in respect of performance reporting. The Department comes before the committee on an annual basis regarding the performance report. A lot of the content in Mr. Hannafin's submission can be addressed in the performance reporting by the Department. We will bring this to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Carer’s Allowance and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (29 May 2024)

Denis Naughten: Thank you. That concludes the committee's business in public session. I propose that the committee goes into private session to consider other business. Is that agreed? Agreed.

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